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I don't trust children to make decisions about irreversibly altering their own bodies. There's a very real chance that this could be viewed by a future generat

I don't trust children to make decisions about irreversibly altering their own bodies. There's a very real chance that this could be viewed by a future generation like 1920s "Progressives" that thought they were agents of goodness and social progress, equipped with science. This whole unqualified pro-trans push could be hubristic people who're unwittingly "medically fixing" queer kids with internalized concepts and phobias from their social culture.

smt88 6y ago
> I don't trust children to make decisions about irreversibly altering their own bodies. Neither do I. Neither does anyone. You're attacking something that does not happen. Children who want to transition have to consult with physicians and psychologists. > There's a very real chance that this could be viewed by a future generation like 1920s "Progressives" that thought they were agents of goodness and social progress, equipped with science. No, there isn't. You seem to be talking about eugenics, which was people forcing their views of "science" onto others. In the case of children transitioning, it's not anything being forced on them. Their parents are not coming up with it, and neither are their doctors. It's something they bring up themselves. Children are almost always given reversible (meaning hormone-based) treatments, and the rate at which they change their minds later is 0.4%[1]. Considering how rare transgender people are in the first place, that is an exceedingly small number of people. 1. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition...
- xxxxxxss1 6y ago
  > You seem to be talking about eugenics I'm talking about having a healthy sense of self-doubt. History shows us that the imprimatur of science is used to advance hubris-driven, pernicious social ideas of a time. The take-away is that when you're absolutely convinced that some new trend is moral and liberating, you should at the very least try to imagine the possibility that you're not only wrong but actively doing harm.
  - smt88 6y ago
    There are hundreds of studies investigating whether harm is done. You seem to be speculating without doing any research first.
    - xxxxxxss1 6y ago
      Have you read what I said? I'm specifically warning about the hubris of going full-bore ahead on something with the steely conviction of science that you're doing God's work.
- DougN7 6y ago
  If children bring up wanting to do hard drugs, and they talk with parents, doctors and psychologists, and still want to do it, should we let them? Hell no! They’re not mature enough to really understand the life long consequences. And so many people make bad choices during their emotional and hormone fueled teen years, that alone should be a check against making permanent changes.

smt88 6y ago

> I don't trust children to make decisions about irreversibly altering their own bodies. Neither do I. Neither does anyone. You're attacking something that does not happen. Children who want to transition have to consult with physicians and psychologists. > There's a very real chance that this could be viewed by a future generation like 1920s "Progressives" that thought they were agents of goodness and social progress, equipped with science. No, there isn't. You seem to be talking about eugenics, which was people forcing their views of "science" onto others. In the case of children transitioning, it's not anything being forced on them. Their parents are not coming up with it, and neither are their doctors. It's something they bring up themselves. Children are almost always given reversible (meaning hormone-based) treatments, and the rate at which they change their minds later is 0.4%[1]. Considering how rare transgender people are in the first place, that is an exceedingly small number of people. 1. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition...

xxxxxxss1 6y ago
> You seem to be talking about eugenics I'm talking about having a healthy sense of self-doubt. History shows us that the imprimatur of science is used to advance hubris-driven, pernicious social ideas of a time. The take-away is that when you're absolutely convinced that some new trend is moral and liberating, you should at the very least try to imagine the possibility that you're not only wrong but actively doing harm.
- smt88 6y ago
  There are hundreds of studies investigating whether harm is done. You seem to be speculating without doing any research first.
  - xxxxxxss1 6y ago
    Have you read what I said? I'm specifically warning about the hubris of going full-bore ahead on something with the steely conviction of science that you're doing God's work.
DougN7 6y ago
If children bring up wanting to do hard drugs, and they talk with parents, doctors and psychologists, and still want to do it, should we let them? Hell no! They’re not mature enough to really understand the life long consequences. And so many people make bad choices during their emotional and hormone fueled teen years, that alone should be a check against making permanent changes.