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I get a feeling that the fight against Covid will be something akin to War on Drugs: - Any critical discussion about the need for draconian measures or their e

I get a feeling that the fight against Covid will be something akin to War on Drugs: - Any critical discussion about the need for draconian measures or their efficacy is social suicide. Politicians will compete on who will propose most iron fisted measures while media concentrate on promoting fear. Those trying to push for more nuanced discussion will be ostracised. This can already be seen, at least, in Europe. - Civil liberties will be ignored. Covid will be used as an excuse to expand surveillance state and other infringements on civil liberties. - A multinational framework of laws and restrictions will be enabled so it will be almost impossible to find a country where you can escape the draconian measures. Eventually you will be forced to take numerous vaccinations to normally participate to society. You also will be forced to divulge your personal health information to strangers and government officials on regular basis.

smt88 6y ago
> Any critical discussion about the need for draconian measures or their efficacy is social suicide. You are commenting on an article that disproves this theory. > it will be almost impossible to find a country where you can escape the draconian measures Besides getting a vaccine, what are you talking about, specifically? I have been getting vaccines all my life. They're quick, they're free (with my health insurance), and they have potentially saved my life. They've certainly saved millions of other lives. "Draconian" would be going back to a time before we had herd immunity. > Eventually you will be forced to take numerous vaccinations to normally participate to society. You should absolutely be forced to take vaccines if you want to use facilities that other people are forced to use, indoors, with you (e.g. public school, hospitals, prisons). I strongly support everyone's right to refuse a vaccine, but I also support the rest of us having the right to be protected from those people. My public college required everyone living in the dorm to get vaccinated for meningitis. It was not a big deal. I suppose people who didn't want the vaccine just didn't live there.
- DanBC 6y ago
  > I have been getting vaccines all my life. They're quick, they're free (with my health insurance), and they have potentially saved my life. They've certainly saved millions of other lives. [...] > My public college required everyone living in the dorm to get vaccinated for meningitis. It was not a big deal. I suppose people who didn't want the vaccine just didn't live there. Vaccinations are safe and effective. People should get vaccinated. This is especially true for covid-19, where the disease is for many people serious and the vaccinations are very good and have few side effects. But not everyone can get the vaccination. Any vaccine passport measures need to make sure they're not adding to the discrimination faced by people with certain disabilities or illnesses.
  - smt88 6y ago
    I should be totally clear that I don't agree with the concept of vaccine passports unless they are: 1) anonymous (I don't need to give you my personal info for you to verify my vaccination status) 2) limited only to very serious illness 3) include exemptions for people who can't get them I'm not enthusiastic about them in general, but perhaps they're necessary if we have a dangerous, contagious disease that's going to float around forever.

smt88 6y ago

> Any critical discussion about the need for draconian measures or their efficacy is social suicide. You are commenting on an article that disproves this theory. > it will be almost impossible to find a country where you can escape the draconian measures Besides getting a vaccine, what are you talking about, specifically? I have been getting vaccines all my life. They're quick, they're free (with my health insurance), and they have potentially saved my life. They've certainly saved millions of other lives. "Draconian" would be going back to a time before we had herd immunity. > Eventually you will be forced to take numerous vaccinations to normally participate to society. You should absolutely be forced to take vaccines if you want to use facilities that other people are forced to use, indoors, with you (e.g. public school, hospitals, prisons). I strongly support everyone's right to refuse a vaccine, but I also support the rest of us having the right to be protected from those people. My public college required everyone living in the dorm to get vaccinated for meningitis. It was not a big deal. I suppose people who didn't want the vaccine just didn't live there.

DanBC 6y ago
> I have been getting vaccines all my life. They're quick, they're free (with my health insurance), and they have potentially saved my life. They've certainly saved millions of other lives. [...] > My public college required everyone living in the dorm to get vaccinated for meningitis. It was not a big deal. I suppose people who didn't want the vaccine just didn't live there. Vaccinations are safe and effective. People should get vaccinated. This is especially true for covid-19, where the disease is for many people serious and the vaccinations are very good and have few side effects. But not everyone can get the vaccination. Any vaccine passport measures need to make sure they're not adding to the discrimination faced by people with certain disabilities or illnesses.
- smt88 6y ago
  I should be totally clear that I don't agree with the concept of vaccine passports unless they are: 1) anonymous (I don't need to give you my personal info for you to verify my vaccination status) 2) limited only to very serious illness 3) include exemptions for people who can't get them I'm not enthusiastic about them in general, but perhaps they're necessary if we have a dangerous, contagious disease that's going to float around forever.