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I think more states and cities should be more biased in their form of opinion. That's really the beauty of what the USA is from the technical perspective. I'd a

I think more states and cities should be more biased in their form of opinion. That's really the beauty of what the USA is from the technical perspective. I'd actually split more states into "city" as the highest form of government. That way each group of people can handle law and bias as they expect. Otherwise you are coercing too large of a population into conflicting views. The most agreeable way forward is to respect people's biases and go where you find it most comfortable. So in this case, cool for them, now find a city/state that allows treatment.

smt88 6y ago
You could make this same argument to support segregation or Jim Crow laws. And, in fact, many Black people did move north to get away from those laws. But you know what? That doesn't solve the problem. You can't just ask people to leave their family homes, which also costs a lot of money and requires leaving behind a job. You can't just have "discrimination zones" in the country, where local jurisdictions get to decide that they violate human rights. Where people choose to live is not an Econ 101 "efficient market".
- pyinstallwoes 6y ago
  I think you're fighting an impossible problem. Yeah, you can ask people to leave. That's the best way to do it. It will balance out fine this way. You can absolutely have discrimination zones, why do I have to share my space with others I don't want? It's human nature, stop fighting it. The losing battle is coercing a majority into uniform perspectives which is impossible.
  - smt88 6y ago
    > You can absolutely have discrimination zones, why do I have to share my space with others I don't want? Just to be clear: 1) You already have the right to do this as long as you're not a government entity or a business. 2) You seem to have a "live and let live" philosophy, which I also do. That's the problem with this bill. It is not letting people live -- it's taking away their right to privately seek medical treatment for a serious, life-threatening issue. It's amazing how "libertarians" suddenly become very pro-government when the government is enforcing something they like.
    - lprocd 6y ago
      > It's amazing how "libertarians" suddenly become very pro-government when the government is enforcing something they like. Stallman has been vilified for suggesting that young teenagers can consent, which he (fortunately) retracted. I'm surprised that irreversible surgery is something that teenagers can generally consent to in the USA.
      - smt88 6y ago
        So, again... Consenting to therapeutic surgery with the extensive oversight of multiple doctors is ABSOLUTELY NOT ANALOGOUS to an adult raping a child. If you don't see the difference in those two scenarios, I don't think it's worthwhile to argue with you further.

smt88 6y ago

You could make this same argument to support segregation or Jim Crow laws. And, in fact, many Black people did move north to get away from those laws. But you know what? That doesn't solve the problem. You can't just ask people to leave their family homes, which also costs a lot of money and requires leaving behind a job. You can't just have "discrimination zones" in the country, where local jurisdictions get to decide that they violate human rights. Where people choose to live is not an Econ 101 "efficient market".

pyinstallwoes 6y ago
I think you're fighting an impossible problem. Yeah, you can ask people to leave. That's the best way to do it. It will balance out fine this way. You can absolutely have discrimination zones, why do I have to share my space with others I don't want? It's human nature, stop fighting it. The losing battle is coercing a majority into uniform perspectives which is impossible.
- smt88 6y ago
  > You can absolutely have discrimination zones, why do I have to share my space with others I don't want? Just to be clear: 1) You already have the right to do this as long as you're not a government entity or a business. 2) You seem to have a "live and let live" philosophy, which I also do. That's the problem with this bill. It is not letting people live -- it's taking away their right to privately seek medical treatment for a serious, life-threatening issue. It's amazing how "libertarians" suddenly become very pro-government when the government is enforcing something they like.
  - lprocd 6y ago
    > It's amazing how "libertarians" suddenly become very pro-government when the government is enforcing something they like. Stallman has been vilified for suggesting that young teenagers can consent, which he (fortunately) retracted. I'm surprised that irreversible surgery is something that teenagers can generally consent to in the USA.
    - smt88 6y ago
      So, again... Consenting to therapeutic surgery with the extensive oversight of multiple doctors is ABSOLUTELY NOT ANALOGOUS to an adult raping a child. If you don't see the difference in those two scenarios, I don't think it's worthwhile to argue with you further.