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She died of anaphylactic shock, which is not unheard of with medications or vaccinations. It's sad, but extremely unlikely. With over 550M doses administered w

by eloff 6y ago

She died of anaphylactic shock, which is not unheard of with medications or vaccinations. It's sad, but extremely unlikely. With over 550M doses administered worldwide (with different vaccines), total anaphylactic shock cases would have to surpass 1100 just to match the risk of being struck by lightning in a given year, which is 1 in 500,000. Worth putting in perspective compared to the risks of dying from covid-19, if infected, which are much higher than that even for a young person.

cced 6y ago
How many doses administered with this particular vaccine? You used your lighting example but it is likely to change of administered doses of AZ are significantly smaller than the 550M.
- js2 6y ago
  Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms but anyway: > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It’s rare and in most cases death is preventable with immediate medical attention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COV... Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US: > There were a total of 2458 anaphylaxis-related deaths in the United States from 1999 to 2010. Medications were the most common cause (58.8%), followed by "unspecified" (19.3%), venom (15.2%), and food (6.7%). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/
  - eloff 6y ago
    > Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms It's just an example very rare event that people typically don't waste time worrying over. I could have used deaths in commercial air travel or chances of winning the lottery - it doesn't really matter to the argument. > Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US. That's less than I expected actually. > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It'd be interesting to know if that were high or low for a typical vaccine or medication.
chaimanmeow 6y ago
your argument would make some sense if this were the only adverse type of events that existed, and if you used the total number of AZ vaccine administered, rather than total of all SARS2 vaccines, which include SputnikV, JJ, pfizer mRNA, moderna mRNA, Sinovac, etc. .
- eloff 6y ago
  I don't have stats for just this vaccine. I think it's fine to look at the vaccines as a group - you can't choose which one you want to get anyway. I'm trying to make a point that covid is orders of magnitude more dangerous than any of the vaccines by any reasonable analysis and at any age group. If you believe otherwise, I dare you to make your case with numbers. I see so many people who are afraid to get vaccinated (not saying that's you), but I see precious few who can do math.
a0-prw 6y ago
> the risks of dying from covid-19, if infected, which are much higher than that even for a young person. Where does your certainty come from? Are you talking about CFR, which is unreliable, or IFR, which is unknown. Or are you privy to some hidden knowledge? https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~GEO https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~GEO
- eloff 6y ago
  The CFR. Yes that overstates the risk because you don't know how many asymptomatic cases there are. But it does not overstate it by several orders of magnitude, which is what would be required for me to be wrong.
- a0-prw 6y ago
  There are lots of complications. What was her risk of contracting covid * her risk of dying, given an infection? Was she healthy or did she have an underlying, serious condition ? It's just not as simple as your post makes out. This young woman would almost certainly be alive if she hadn't got the vaccine.
airhead969 6y ago
People are always allergic to something. I was allergic to a particular flavor of an artificial beverage in the 80's called CapriSun, but it may have been in combination with immune exposure to pollen, dirt, flu, seasonal cold, soap, laundry detergent, or any other random substance. I broke-out in hives. My aunt has readily-lethal anaphylactic reactions to dozens of foods and other substances. Epinephrine, diphenhydramine, albuterol, and famotidine should be readily available at all vaccine injection sites. Even with doing everything right, people who experience medical emergencies can and do still die.

by eloff 6y ago

cced 6y ago

How many doses administered with this particular vaccine? You used your lighting example but it is likely to change of administered doses of AZ are significantly smaller than the 550M.

js2 6y ago
Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms but anyway: > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It’s rare and in most cases death is preventable with immediate medical attention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COV... Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US: > There were a total of 2458 anaphylaxis-related deaths in the United States from 1999 to 2010. Medications were the most common cause (58.8%), followed by "unspecified" (19.3%), venom (15.2%), and food (6.7%). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/
- eloff 6y ago
  > Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms It's just an example very rare event that people typically don't waste time worrying over. I could have used deaths in commercial air travel or chances of winning the lottery - it doesn't really matter to the argument. > Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US. That's less than I expected actually. > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It'd be interesting to know if that were high or low for a typical vaccine or medication.

chaimanmeow 6y ago

your argument would make some sense if this were the only adverse type of events that existed, and if you used the total number of AZ vaccine administered, rather than total of all SARS2 vaccines, which include SputnikV, JJ, pfizer mRNA, moderna mRNA, Sinovac, etc. .

eloff 6y ago
I don't have stats for just this vaccine. I think it's fine to look at the vaccines as a group - you can't choose which one you want to get anyway. I'm trying to make a point that covid is orders of magnitude more dangerous than any of the vaccines by any reasonable analysis and at any age group. If you believe otherwise, I dare you to make your case with numbers. I see so many people who are afraid to get vaccinated (not saying that's you), but I see precious few who can do math.

a0-prw 6y ago

> the risks of dying from covid-19, if infected, which are much higher than that even for a young person. Where does your certainty come from? Are you talking about CFR, which is unreliable, or IFR, which is unknown. Or are you privy to some hidden knowledge? https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~GEO https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~GEO

eloff 6y ago
The CFR. Yes that overstates the risk because you don't know how many asymptomatic cases there are. But it does not overstate it by several orders of magnitude, which is what would be required for me to be wrong.
a0-prw 6y ago
There are lots of complications. What was her risk of contracting covid * her risk of dying, given an infection? Was she healthy or did she have an underlying, serious condition ? It's just not as simple as your post makes out. This young woman would almost certainly be alive if she hadn't got the vaccine.

airhead969 6y ago

People are always allergic to something. I was allergic to a particular flavor of an artificial beverage in the 80's called CapriSun, but it may have been in combination with immune exposure to pollen, dirt, flu, seasonal cold, soap, laundry detergent, or any other random substance. I broke-out in hives. My aunt has readily-lethal anaphylactic reactions to dozens of foods and other substances. Epinephrine, diphenhydramine, albuterol, and famotidine should be readily available at all vaccine injection sites. Even with doing everything right, people who experience medical emergencies can and do still die.