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27-year-old nurse vaccinated with AstraZeneca dies in Georgia

12 points by wsc981 6y ago

slater 6y ago
Note for US folks: Georgia, the country, not the US state.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Also to note, the US has millions of AstraZeneca doses in country, but it is not approved for use in the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-astrazeneca-united-states.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-a...
  - js2 6y ago
    4M of those doses are going to Mexico and Canada. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/18/us-plans-to-send-4-million-doses-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-mexico-and-canada-official-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/18/us-plans-to-send-4-million-d... It doesn’t make sense for the US to be sitting on any doses of AZ at this point since Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J production capacity will exceed what we have warehoused before the FDA approval process for AZ can be completed at this point.
iujjkfjdkkdkf 6y ago
Just my opinion, there's a lot of extremism around handling covid, basically a religious reverence where no measure is too severe to prevent even one death. But it would be a mistake to apply this thinking in reverse as well. Rare reactions to a vaccine, even if tragic, should not be cause for general alarm or be a reason to stop using it.
- xxxxxyy1 6y ago
  > basically a religious reverence where no measure is too severe to prevent even one death What infuriates me is the Krispy Kreme promotion...if the public health establishment cared about "saving lives" they'd outlaw Krispy Kreme. And in the obesity epidemic, we see yet another example of the utter incompetence of all the educated technocrats that claim to care about our wellbeing. Newsflash: they don't. Our society is profoundly ill - something that's happened under the expert guidance and advice of the current regime that everyone glorifies. If there was one policy that could kill the most people while seeming benign it'd be offering them a free donut every day for a year with proof of your vaccination card.
  - airhead969 6y ago
    There's no way to legislate self-control or common sense.
  - iujjkfjdkkdkf 6y ago
    That promition is ridiculous, or at least superbly ironic. I think though it's an example of how actual health (or quality of life which is a much more robust measure) outcomes are virtually irrelevant to policymakers. We a just lucky when quality of life happens to coincide with large business interests (all gatherings are banned unless they're in a walmart), bureaucratic ass-covering, or vote buying. In normal times it balances out decently but the equilibrium has been thrown far off here.
eloff 6y ago
She died of anaphylactic shock, which is not unheard of with medications or vaccinations. It's sad, but extremely unlikely. With over 550M doses administered worldwide (with different vaccines), total anaphylactic shock cases would have to surpass 1100 just to match the risk of being struck by lightning in a given year, which is 1 in 500,000. Worth putting in perspective compared to the risks of dying from covid-19, if infected, which are much higher than that even for a young person.
- cced 6y ago
  How many doses administered with this particular vaccine? You used your lighting example but it is likely to change of administered doses of AZ are significantly smaller than the 550M.
  - js2 6y ago
    Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms but anyway: > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It’s rare and in most cases death is preventable with immediate medical attention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COV... Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US: > There were a total of 2458 anaphylaxis-related deaths in the United States from 1999 to 2010. Medications were the most common cause (58.8%), followed by "unspecified" (19.3%), venom (15.2%), and food (6.7%). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/
    - eloff 6y ago
      > Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms It's just an example very rare event that people typically don't waste time worrying over. I could have used deaths in commercial air travel or chances of winning the lottery - it doesn't really matter to the argument. > Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US. That's less than I expected actually. > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It'd be interesting to know if that were high or low for a typical vaccine or medication.
js2 6y ago
Anaphylactic shock from an allergic reaction. Here’s the list of ingredients: COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains the excipients histidine, histidine hydrochloride monohydrate, sodium chloride, magnesium chloride hexahydrate, disodium edetate (EDTA), sucrose, ethanol absolute, polysorbate 80 and water for injections.
- chaimanmeow 6y ago
  besides polysorbate 80, I cannot think of anything that could cause an allergic reaction from that list. It seems likely then that it is a strong immune reaction against the adenovirus or its spike.
wsc981 6y ago
> “I call on everyone to take this vaccine,” 27-year-old nurse Megi Bakradze told the camera. They were almost her last words. Bakradze was filmed getting her AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine at the clinic where she works, Imedi (Hope), in the provincial town of Akhaltsikhe. She told the local TV reporter that lots of medications have side effects but that it wasn’t a reason to fear vaccination. Half an hour later, Bakradze fainted and went into coma. She is now believed to be the first person in the world to die of a coronavirus vaccine-triggered allergic reaction. Her death, just four days into Georgia’s long-delayed vaccination campaign, further frightened an already skittish public. Healthcare workers, the first category of people eligible for the shots, have reportedly stopped showing up for the jabs. One clinic in the western city of Ozurgeti reported that of 13 people scheduled for vaccination on March 19, only six showed up. Source: https://vestnikkavkaza.net/analysis/Vaccination-issues-in-Georgia-real-and-mental.html https://vestnikkavkaza.net/analysis/Vaccination-issues-in-Ge...

12 points by wsc981 6y ago

slater 6y ago

Note for US folks: Georgia, the country, not the US state.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Also to note, the US has millions of AstraZeneca doses in country, but it is not approved for use in the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-astrazeneca-united-states.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-a...
- js2 6y ago
  4M of those doses are going to Mexico and Canada. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/18/us-plans-to-send-4-million-doses-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-mexico-and-canada-official-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/18/us-plans-to-send-4-million-d... It doesn’t make sense for the US to be sitting on any doses of AZ at this point since Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J production capacity will exceed what we have warehoused before the FDA approval process for AZ can be completed at this point.

iujjkfjdkkdkf 6y ago

Just my opinion, there's a lot of extremism around handling covid, basically a religious reverence where no measure is too severe to prevent even one death. But it would be a mistake to apply this thinking in reverse as well. Rare reactions to a vaccine, even if tragic, should not be cause for general alarm or be a reason to stop using it.

xxxxxyy1 6y ago
> basically a religious reverence where no measure is too severe to prevent even one death What infuriates me is the Krispy Kreme promotion...if the public health establishment cared about "saving lives" they'd outlaw Krispy Kreme. And in the obesity epidemic, we see yet another example of the utter incompetence of all the educated technocrats that claim to care about our wellbeing. Newsflash: they don't. Our society is profoundly ill - something that's happened under the expert guidance and advice of the current regime that everyone glorifies. If there was one policy that could kill the most people while seeming benign it'd be offering them a free donut every day for a year with proof of your vaccination card.
- airhead969 6y ago
  There's no way to legislate self-control or common sense.
- iujjkfjdkkdkf 6y ago
  That promition is ridiculous, or at least superbly ironic. I think though it's an example of how actual health (or quality of life which is a much more robust measure) outcomes are virtually irrelevant to policymakers. We a just lucky when quality of life happens to coincide with large business interests (all gatherings are banned unless they're in a walmart), bureaucratic ass-covering, or vote buying. In normal times it balances out decently but the equilibrium has been thrown far off here.

eloff 6y ago

She died of anaphylactic shock, which is not unheard of with medications or vaccinations. It's sad, but extremely unlikely. With over 550M doses administered worldwide (with different vaccines), total anaphylactic shock cases would have to surpass 1100 just to match the risk of being struck by lightning in a given year, which is 1 in 500,000. Worth putting in perspective compared to the risks of dying from covid-19, if infected, which are much higher than that even for a young person.

cced 6y ago
How many doses administered with this particular vaccine? You used your lighting example but it is likely to change of administered doses of AZ are significantly smaller than the 550M.
- js2 6y ago
  Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms but anyway: > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It’s rare and in most cases death is preventable with immediate medical attention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford%E2%80%93AstraZeneca_COV... Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US: > There were a total of 2458 anaphylaxis-related deaths in the United States from 1999 to 2010. Medications were the most common cause (58.8%), followed by "unspecified" (19.3%), venom (15.2%), and food (6.7%). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25280385/
  - eloff 6y ago
    > Lightning is also a bad comparison because most people try to avoid being outside during thunderstorms It's just an example very rare event that people typically don't waste time worrying over. I could have used deaths in commercial air travel or chances of winning the lottery - it doesn't really matter to the argument. > Apparently there’s around 200 anaphylaxis deaths annually in the US. That's less than I expected actually. > More rarely, anaphylaxis may occur (the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has 234 reports out of approximately 11.7 million vaccinations as of 7 March 2021). It'd be interesting to know if that were high or low for a typical vaccine or medication.

js2 6y ago

Anaphylactic shock from an allergic reaction. Here’s the list of ingredients: COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca contains the excipients histidine, histidine hydrochloride monohydrate, sodium chloride, magnesium chloride hexahydrate, disodium edetate (EDTA), sucrose, ethanol absolute, polysorbate 80 and water for injections.

chaimanmeow 6y ago
besides polysorbate 80, I cannot think of anything that could cause an allergic reaction from that list. It seems likely then that it is a strong immune reaction against the adenovirus or its spike.

wsc981 6y ago

> “I call on everyone to take this vaccine,” 27-year-old nurse Megi Bakradze told the camera. They were almost her last words. Bakradze was filmed getting her AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine at the clinic where she works, Imedi (Hope), in the provincial town of Akhaltsikhe. She told the local TV reporter that lots of medications have side effects but that it wasn’t a reason to fear vaccination. Half an hour later, Bakradze fainted and went into coma. She is now believed to be the first person in the world to die of a coronavirus vaccine-triggered allergic reaction. Her death, just four days into Georgia’s long-delayed vaccination campaign, further frightened an already skittish public. Healthcare workers, the first category of people eligible for the shots, have reportedly stopped showing up for the jabs. One clinic in the western city of Ozurgeti reported that of 13 people scheduled for vaccination on March 19, only six showed up. Source: https://vestnikkavkaza.net/analysis/Vaccination-issues-in-Georgia-real-and-mental.html https://vestnikkavkaza.net/analysis/Vaccination-issues-in-Ge...