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I'll note that you didn't start your response here with pleasantries, and no one else has, either. By leaping at the opportunity to condescendingly explain hum

I'll note that you didn't start your response here with pleasantries, and no one else has, either. By leaping at the opportunity to condescendingly explain human behavior, you've slipped into attacking a strawman. Take your passive aggressive yikes elsewhere. Being delayed by a "good morning" from an oblivious coworker? More than just annoying. (Obligatory "pleasantries" from coworkers who otherwise take glee in making you miserable and obstruct you for sport? Much, much worse.) We're not friends--we're coworkers, at least nominally, and I probably have a stack of shit this high to deal with--that you may or may not be the cause of. How about this for being "nice": don't force me into dealing with your bullshit, against my wishes. Where's your recognition that I'm a human with feelings and needs?

bobthebuilders 6y ago
You're unable of living in real life if you can't exchange pleasantries. It's kinda sad for some of us introverts out there, but the reality is that these things can do a lot for even simple things like job mobility in the subconscious sense. You may get mad at someone for interrupting your work for instance, but saying hello and goodbye and thank you does wonders for getting people to like you more, being able to tell someone to stop bothering you when you need it, and even in what people perceive as personality.
- pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
  So you're doubling down on condescendingly explaining how to human. Cool. Consider this: I have a high emotional IQ and acutely understand whatever lesson you think you're imparting here, I just don't have the kind of bullshit budget required in this context. Here's the obvious consequence that no one ever seems to get, even with having it explained to them: if I'm going to have to start dropping things on the floor and make some people unhappy, guess who I'm going to choose to be the recipient? All the people most responsible for squandering the resources that were available.
  - bobthebuilders 6y ago
    I don't see how I'm being condescending or doubling down?
    - JetAlone 6y ago
      I suspect they mistook you for the last poster, eropple.
    - pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
      > how to human
      - bobthebuilders 6y ago
        That's not a quote from me? I think you're just proving my point.
        pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
        You're right, it's my quote--where I gave an inline description about what was condescending about it. Since you asked, I repeated it.
        bobthebuilders 6y ago
        But I never said that? I was asking what part of my description was condescending, not what part of your description was condescending.
        pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
        > I never said that I know. I said it. Why am I having to repeat this? > what part of your description was condescending What? I'm not saying my description was condescending. It is a description of your reply. It pinpoints what was condescending about that reply. You are "leaping at the opportunity" to explain "how to human". This is condescending. It would be like if I launched into an explanation about why it's a good idea to shower and maintain good hygiene, as if you needed to be told that body odor can be unpleasant for other people and might make them not want to be around you.
sjwright 6y ago
> I'll note that you didn't start your response here with pleasantries, and no one else has, either. There are obvious differences between expressing an opinion and asking others to do something for you. Understanding that distinction makes this apparent contradiction entirely explicable.
- pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
  Actual problem: not understanding the distinction between a bug report and form meant for "asking others to do something for you".
  - sjwright 6y ago
    Actual problem: believing that the distinction between those two is relevant.
    - pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
      This is the second instance of an attempt on your part to use circular reasoning so that it might be impossible to argue with you. It's clear now that you're just here for the conflict, and not (sound) resolutions. This is a dead end.
      - sjwright 6y ago
        If you can describe anything about my argument which soundly qualifies as circular, I'll concede all disagreements with you, accept that you're correct in everything you have said and I'll even donate AU$500 to a charity of your choice. > It's clear now that you're just here for the conflict Says the person who thinks that basic, pro forma civility requires a "bullshit budget."
taneq 6y ago
Hi, good evening, you seem like a dick. Bye now.
- junon 6y ago
  24k rep on HN, you should know that's not how we converse here, regardless of whether or not you agree with GP.
  - taneq 6y ago
    I stand by my assessment of GP, but that's beside the point. You're right, and I apologise.
    - sjwright 6y ago
      I wouldn’t apologise. I strongly respect the social rules of hacker news but they are by no means perfect and tend to break down in the face of a well calibrated troll. This particular variant is the verbose non sequitur anti-pattern. It’s effective because it generally can’t be identified at a glance. It requires a lot of contextualised reading. This means it gets few down votes, the canonical sign of disapproval here.

bobthebuilders 6y ago

You're unable of living in real life if you can't exchange pleasantries. It's kinda sad for some of us introverts out there, but the reality is that these things can do a lot for even simple things like job mobility in the subconscious sense. You may get mad at someone for interrupting your work for instance, but saying hello and goodbye and thank you does wonders for getting people to like you more, being able to tell someone to stop bothering you when you need it, and even in what people perceive as personality.

pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
So you're doubling down on condescendingly explaining how to human. Cool. Consider this: I have a high emotional IQ and acutely understand whatever lesson you think you're imparting here, I just don't have the kind of bullshit budget required in this context. Here's the obvious consequence that no one ever seems to get, even with having it explained to them: if I'm going to have to start dropping things on the floor and make some people unhappy, guess who I'm going to choose to be the recipient? All the people most responsible for squandering the resources that were available.
- bobthebuilders 6y ago
  I don't see how I'm being condescending or doubling down?
  - JetAlone 6y ago
    I suspect they mistook you for the last poster, eropple.
  - pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
    > how to human
    - bobthebuilders 6y ago
      That's not a quote from me? I think you're just proving my point.
      - pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
        You're right, it's my quote--where I gave an inline description about what was condescending about it. Since you asked, I repeated it.
        bobthebuilders 6y ago
        But I never said that? I was asking what part of my description was condescending, not what part of your description was condescending.
        pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
        > I never said that I know. I said it. Why am I having to repeat this? > what part of your description was condescending What? I'm not saying my description was condescending. It is a description of your reply. It pinpoints what was condescending about that reply. You are "leaping at the opportunity" to explain "how to human". This is condescending. It would be like if I launched into an explanation about why it's a good idea to shower and maintain good hygiene, as if you needed to be told that body odor can be unpleasant for other people and might make them not want to be around you.

sjwright 6y ago

> I'll note that you didn't start your response here with pleasantries, and no one else has, either. There are obvious differences between expressing an opinion and asking others to do something for you. Understanding that distinction makes this apparent contradiction entirely explicable.

pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
Actual problem: not understanding the distinction between a bug report and form meant for "asking others to do something for you".
- sjwright 6y ago
  Actual problem: believing that the distinction between those two is relevant.
  - pwdisswordfish6 6y ago
    This is the second instance of an attempt on your part to use circular reasoning so that it might be impossible to argue with you. It's clear now that you're just here for the conflict, and not (sound) resolutions. This is a dead end.
    - sjwright 6y ago
      If you can describe anything about my argument which soundly qualifies as circular, I'll concede all disagreements with you, accept that you're correct in everything you have said and I'll even donate AU$500 to a charity of your choice. > It's clear now that you're just here for the conflict Says the person who thinks that basic, pro forma civility requires a "bullshit budget."

taneq 6y ago

Hi, good evening, you seem like a dick. Bye now.

junon 6y ago
24k rep on HN, you should know that's not how we converse here, regardless of whether or not you agree with GP.
- taneq 6y ago
  I stand by my assessment of GP, but that's beside the point. You're right, and I apologise.
  - sjwright 6y ago
    I wouldn’t apologise. I strongly respect the social rules of hacker news but they are by no means perfect and tend to break down in the face of a well calibrated troll. This particular variant is the verbose non sequitur anti-pattern. It’s effective because it generally can’t be identified at a glance. It requires a lot of contextualised reading. This means it gets few down votes, the canonical sign of disapproval here.