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Public leadership is a different role, which is why I have zero trust in the following organizations leadership except for technical contributions (by order of

by belorn 6y ago

Public leadership is a different role, which is why I have zero trust in the following organizations leadership except for technical contributions (by order of worst offenders in regard to politics outside the scope of the technology). Mozilla. Tor. Wikipedia. Stackexchange. Linux. Python. OSI. OpenBSD. Coreboot. Ubuntu. Neither has leaders that bring trust to their project. Many of them has caused large group of contributors to exist the project because of actions and statement outside the mission scope. The leadership of all of them should be removed and replaced, and yet the projects are at the same time still functional despite their leaders lack.

loopz 6y ago
You can't claw down leaders without tearing down the foundations. The mob is just ignorant how things really work.
einpoklum 6y ago
Agree with you at least about those organizations I have some knowledge and experience with: * The Mozilla foundation has an atrocious code of conduct, which allows for people to be ousted through secret trials based on secret complaints. And of course, is vague enough to be interpreted so as to disallow almost any oppositionary conduct. (Due disclosure: I was subjected to such measures as a Thunderbird contributor) * Wikipedia: Shady elements in management and ownership, see: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/11/meet-wikipedias-ayn-rand-loving-founder-and-wikimedia-foundations-regime-change-operative-ceo/ https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/11/meet-wikipedias-ayn-rand-... * StackExchange: It's complicated, but basically the company owning the network has exhibited autocratic tendencies, and instead of anyone answering for their unjustifiable acts, there's been a bunch of gaslighting and diversion. Some very partial amends have been made. For the state of affairs at the heat of the crisis, see: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333965/196834 https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333965/196834 for example.

by belorn 6y ago

loopz 6y ago

You can't claw down leaders without tearing down the foundations. The mob is just ignorant how things really work.

einpoklum 6y ago

Agree with you at least about those organizations I have some knowledge and experience with: * The Mozilla foundation has an atrocious code of conduct, which allows for people to be ousted through secret trials based on secret complaints. And of course, is vague enough to be interpreted so as to disallow almost any oppositionary conduct. (Due disclosure: I was subjected to such measures as a Thunderbird contributor) * Wikipedia: Shady elements in management and ownership, see: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/11/meet-wikipedias-ayn-rand-loving-founder-and-wikimedia-foundations-regime-change-operative-ceo/ https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/11/meet-wikipedias-ayn-rand-... * StackExchange: It's complicated, but basically the company owning the network has exhibited autocratic tendencies, and instead of anyone answering for their unjustifiable acts, there's been a bunch of gaslighting and diversion. Some very partial amends have been made. For the state of affairs at the heat of the crisis, see: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333965/196834 https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333965/196834 for example.