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Except that Tesla hasn’t solved computer vision and may never. Want to wager? Have you seen the FSD beta videos? Looks like they've pretty much solved it for a

Except that Tesla hasn’t solved computer vision and may never. Want to wager? Have you seen the FSD beta videos? Looks like they've pretty much solved it for autonomous driving. Also my experience when using Tesla FSD with Navigate on Autopilot. It pretty much looks inevitable at this point. Also Dojo isn’t some magical technology. The magic, is how they won't have to label manually. It will automate the labelling. LiDAR however has changed the game. It works well and costs are rapidly coming down. Just like Scotty Kilmer when he says, "changed the game." Using cameras + AI will leapfrog it for applications like autonomous driving. What will be left, are applications where you can't afford too much processing. I agree with you that LIDAR will get cheap enough for that. Also, you don't even address my main point about military applications and active sensors. I'm kinda proud of that bit of reasoning.

robbiep 6y ago
Not OP but I think if you were wagering on delivery right now you just can’t make the claim that it is solved for Tesla; maybe they will but they have been saying that for 5 years now and the demos don’t look that different from the video they released 2-3 years ago when it looked to be just around the corner (and before they instituted a program to replace the hardware on all cars even after they said every one has FSD ready hardware) The military one is interesting... seems like autonomous military vehicles will be massively prone to adversarial attacks and as soon as the line of training is discovered that entire line of hardware suddenly can’t see the mine it’s about to drive over, for example. I think unless you get to full general AI then you’re still going to need a human in the loop to protect against adversarial attacks for everything but the most mundane cargos, and at that level the difference between LIDAR and CV is probably minimal
ra7 6y ago
> Have you seen the FSD beta videos? Looks like they've pretty much solved it for autonomous driving. Have you? Plenty of videos where it fails pathetically (like https://youtu.be/antLneVlxcs https://youtu.be/antLneVlxcs). This looks nowhere close to “pretty much solved”. In fact, it’s an active danger to the rider and its surroundings.

robbiep 6y ago

Not OP but I think if you were wagering on delivery right now you just can’t make the claim that it is solved for Tesla; maybe they will but they have been saying that for 5 years now and the demos don’t look that different from the video they released 2-3 years ago when it looked to be just around the corner (and before they instituted a program to replace the hardware on all cars even after they said every one has FSD ready hardware) The military one is interesting... seems like autonomous military vehicles will be massively prone to adversarial attacks and as soon as the line of training is discovered that entire line of hardware suddenly can’t see the mine it’s about to drive over, for example. I think unless you get to full general AI then you’re still going to need a human in the loop to protect against adversarial attacks for everything but the most mundane cargos, and at that level the difference between LIDAR and CV is probably minimal

ra7 6y ago

> Have you seen the FSD beta videos? Looks like they've pretty much solved it for autonomous driving. Have you? Plenty of videos where it fails pathetically (like https://youtu.be/antLneVlxcs https://youtu.be/antLneVlxcs). This looks nowhere close to “pretty much solved”. In fact, it’s an active danger to the rider and its surroundings.