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> The employer is literally coercing the employee into attending these "information" sessions by threatening their survival I used to be mildly in favor of uni

by Aunche 6y ago

> The employer is literally coercing the employee into attending these "information" sessions by threatening their survival I used to be mildly in favor of unions, but the use of this kind of loaded language is why I'm starting to oppose them. It just give me the impression that the pro-labor side are a bunch of entitled whiners, even though I logically know that vast majority of the people voting pro-union are perfectly reasonable. At the end of the day, you're being paid to sit in a room. Nothing is stopping you from daydreaming or planning your next dinner.

pmiller2 6y ago
Does the union get the same deal?
- Aunche 6y ago
  If the union pays people $15 to watch pro-labor documentary, I'm sure many people would sign up.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    That's not the same deal. Amazon's deal is "here, watch this anti-union propaganda. We won't pay you any more than we usually do, and you're fired if you don't." Would you be in favor of the union having the same power? Why or why not?
    - Aunche 6y ago
      In that case, there's no equivalent comparison because one's an employer and the other is not. That doesn't change my original point that the description was loaded.
      - pmiller2 6y ago
        Sure there's an equivalent. It's > Hey, guys, we're going to have 2 mandatory information sessions, one put on by the company and one put on by the union. They'll be during work hours and you'll get paid your normal rate. Or > Hey, we're holding some optional information sessions outside of work. Here's the info. The union is holding their own session, too. Feel free to come to both, or neither. It won't affect your job at all. Would you be in favor of either one of these?
- RhysU 6y ago
  Yes, if the union is accepted the union gets a cut of the employee's wages via dues.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    But there is no union yet. This is only about the election. Does the union get the same ability to "inform" the electorate as Amazon? Can the union threaten peoples' jobs to get them to come to "information" sessions?

by Aunche 6y ago

pmiller2 6y ago

Does the union get the same deal?

Aunche 6y ago
If the union pays people $15 to watch pro-labor documentary, I'm sure many people would sign up.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  That's not the same deal. Amazon's deal is "here, watch this anti-union propaganda. We won't pay you any more than we usually do, and you're fired if you don't." Would you be in favor of the union having the same power? Why or why not?
  - Aunche 6y ago
    In that case, there's no equivalent comparison because one's an employer and the other is not. That doesn't change my original point that the description was loaded.
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      Sure there's an equivalent. It's > Hey, guys, we're going to have 2 mandatory information sessions, one put on by the company and one put on by the union. They'll be during work hours and you'll get paid your normal rate. Or > Hey, we're holding some optional information sessions outside of work. Here's the info. The union is holding their own session, too. Feel free to come to both, or neither. It won't affect your job at all. Would you be in favor of either one of these?
RhysU 6y ago
Yes, if the union is accepted the union gets a cut of the employee's wages via dues.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  But there is no union yet. This is only about the election. Does the union get the same ability to "inform" the electorate as Amazon? Can the union threaten peoples' jobs to get them to come to "information" sessions?