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In the UK we got changes in law that will let companies like Amazon bypass unions and employment law altogether. It's coming in April. It's crazy and chilling w

In the UK we got changes in law that will let companies like Amazon bypass unions and employment law altogether. It's coming in April. It's crazy and chilling when you think that neither Labour nor unions did anything to stop this. Check: https://norightsemployee.uk/faq https://norightsemployee.uk/faq

wernsey 6y ago
Just wow. The wording in that is just dystopian. I think it's the use of the exclamation points that gets me. Will NREs attract union attention? No! Will NREs save me money? Yes! Can NREs improve my share price? Yes! Do I have to invite NREs to Christmas Parties and other Company Social Events? No!
- wernsey 6y ago
  Oh, I gather the website is satire. Well done.
  - Applejinx 6y ago
    Are you sure? It's normal to take stuff you're actually doing, and muddy the waters with faux joking about it to soften people up. IR35 appears to be a real thing. Maybe what you mean is that the 'No-Rights Employee' website is made to appear like it advocates for the concept, while actually being made to criticise it.
  - oddeyed 6y ago
    I'm desperate to know whether it is or not. Mind sharing how you reached that conclusion?
Applejinx 6y ago
This is the context in which Liz Warren is making her comments. It's literally her job to know what Amazon's doing with labor laws and work conditions as they relate to being an American citizen. When she talks about snotty tweets (quickly spun by enemies into a claim that the ONLY thing she observes or cares about is the sass) what she's decrying is the observation that they will abuse workers, rig the whole system to destroy worker protections of any sort, AND then sass you for objecting in any way to it, even when it is literally your job to be the framework of rules and laws that contextualizes their behavior. Amazon's scorched-earth strategy is consistent with what they inherently are, but that's also their big weakness. Warren is right that they expect to dismantle all laws and rules that stop them treating Americans like enslaved workers in obscure Asian countries, and THEN they expect to sass you about it on Twitter if you don't like that. They expect to act as Gods, because they can afford to be. I get how Bezos gets that impression, but he's mistaken that it is in any way a good thing.

wernsey 6y ago

Just wow. The wording in that is just dystopian. I think it's the use of the exclamation points that gets me. Will NREs attract union attention? No! Will NREs save me money? Yes! Can NREs improve my share price? Yes! Do I have to invite NREs to Christmas Parties and other Company Social Events? No!

wernsey 6y ago
Oh, I gather the website is satire. Well done.
- Applejinx 6y ago
  Are you sure? It's normal to take stuff you're actually doing, and muddy the waters with faux joking about it to soften people up. IR35 appears to be a real thing. Maybe what you mean is that the 'No-Rights Employee' website is made to appear like it advocates for the concept, while actually being made to criticise it.
- oddeyed 6y ago
  I'm desperate to know whether it is or not. Mind sharing how you reached that conclusion?

Applejinx 6y ago

This is the context in which Liz Warren is making her comments. It's literally her job to know what Amazon's doing with labor laws and work conditions as they relate to being an American citizen. When she talks about snotty tweets (quickly spun by enemies into a claim that the ONLY thing she observes or cares about is the sass) what she's decrying is the observation that they will abuse workers, rig the whole system to destroy worker protections of any sort, AND then sass you for objecting in any way to it, even when it is literally your job to be the framework of rules and laws that contextualizes their behavior. Amazon's scorched-earth strategy is consistent with what they inherently are, but that's also their big weakness. Warren is right that they expect to dismantle all laws and rules that stop them treating Americans like enslaved workers in obscure Asian countries, and THEN they expect to sass you about it on Twitter if you don't like that. They expect to act as Gods, because they can afford to be. I get how Bezos gets that impression, but he's mistaken that it is in any way a good thing.