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this is awesome, will definitely be checking it out. ADS-B is definitely more popular than AIS, and I've always wondered why. Perhaps it's that airplanes evoke

by hrishi 6y ago

this is awesome, will definitely be checking it out. ADS-B is definitely more popular than AIS, and I've always wondered why. Perhaps it's that airplanes evoke more wonder, and is more accessible over land than poor old ships? Do DM me if you're looking for a position, or if you'd just like to chat about vessels, AIS and anything maritime. We're building maritime intelligence at Greywing (https://grey-wing.com https://grey-wing.com), and I'd love your input. In fact we have a Launch HN post up right now, so if you have any thoughts do drop them in!

mik3y 6y ago
Neat product! I'm a novice in this space but I'll definitely keep eyes on. On adoption.. I think your hunch is at least part of it. I think another part, one that is very solvable, is there are not a whole lot of instructions for DIY hardware & software setups out there. My impression is most AIS hobbyists use kits & proprietary hardware shipped from commercial providers (eg MarineTraffic), while rtl-ais is pretty obscure. Documenting what I can as I go to change it.
- floathub 6y ago
  While we don't have a standalone AIS hardware product, we do have hardware and software that lets you relay AIS data both to us and out to other vessel monitoring systems. More data here: https://support.floathub.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001334348-New-Feature-AIS-Relaying https://support.floathub.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001334348-... software only version here: https://github.com/floathub/sfh https://github.com/floathub/sfh drop a note if you want any more info.
skeletal88 6y ago
What are you using to display the S-52 and S-63 charts on the web? I worked on a VTS product (a small vendor, not any of the big ones), and there I learned that: 1) The sea charts are hugely expensive, the chart sellers want to sell you a subscription for a limited amount of time, that would just disappear when the time is over. "safety" is their justification for it 2) There are no open source libraries for drawing charts, the desktop chart drawing libraries are expensive, and it seems that the web products that output WMS are even more expensive.
- hrishi 6y ago
  We're focused on routing (shoreside) and not navigation at the moment, so we've been able to build a custom in-house map focused on the needs of crew managers and operators. Unfortunately you're right about the rest - it's a problem that's pervasive throughout maritime. We've had to build our own routing engine, port database, and much more that we initially expected to buy/use.
giantrobot 6y ago
ADS-B you can pick up from just about anywhere since planes are flying. AIS requires you be near enough a decent sized body of water/waterway.
notahacker 6y ago
> ADS-B is definitely more popular than AIS, and I've always wondered why. Perhaps it's that airplanes evoke more wonder, and is more accessible over land than poor old ships? Having worked on product applications for both I'd say: - There's a lot more B2B and especially B2C/B2B2C commercial use cases for ADS-B data, because flights are more time sensitive and more likely to carry passengers and commercial partners align schedules to the minute rather than to the day! - The aviation enthusiast community is that bit nerdier and more timetable and "what did I just spot?" driven and can play with receivers even when not near the coast, so the crowdsourced ADS-B model works well. - AIS is shorter range and has more issues with spoofing, data gaps etc (the commercial providers can clean it up but it's a bit more of a challenge for hobbyists)

by hrishi 6y ago

mik3y 6y ago

Neat product! I'm a novice in this space but I'll definitely keep eyes on. On adoption.. I think your hunch is at least part of it. I think another part, one that is very solvable, is there are not a whole lot of instructions for DIY hardware & software setups out there. My impression is most AIS hobbyists use kits & proprietary hardware shipped from commercial providers (eg MarineTraffic), while rtl-ais is pretty obscure. Documenting what I can as I go to change it.

floathub 6y ago
While we don't have a standalone AIS hardware product, we do have hardware and software that lets you relay AIS data both to us and out to other vessel monitoring systems. More data here: https://support.floathub.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001334348-New-Feature-AIS-Relaying https://support.floathub.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001334348-... software only version here: https://github.com/floathub/sfh https://github.com/floathub/sfh drop a note if you want any more info.

skeletal88 6y ago

What are you using to display the S-52 and S-63 charts on the web? I worked on a VTS product (a small vendor, not any of the big ones), and there I learned that: 1) The sea charts are hugely expensive, the chart sellers want to sell you a subscription for a limited amount of time, that would just disappear when the time is over. "safety" is their justification for it 2) There are no open source libraries for drawing charts, the desktop chart drawing libraries are expensive, and it seems that the web products that output WMS are even more expensive.

hrishi 6y ago
We're focused on routing (shoreside) and not navigation at the moment, so we've been able to build a custom in-house map focused on the needs of crew managers and operators. Unfortunately you're right about the rest - it's a problem that's pervasive throughout maritime. We've had to build our own routing engine, port database, and much more that we initially expected to buy/use.

giantrobot 6y ago

ADS-B you can pick up from just about anywhere since planes are flying. AIS requires you be near enough a decent sized body of water/waterway.

notahacker 6y ago

> ADS-B is definitely more popular than AIS, and I've always wondered why. Perhaps it's that airplanes evoke more wonder, and is more accessible over land than poor old ships? Having worked on product applications for both I'd say: - There's a lot more B2B and especially B2C/B2B2C commercial use cases for ADS-B data, because flights are more time sensitive and more likely to carry passengers and commercial partners align schedules to the minute rather than to the day! - The aviation enthusiast community is that bit nerdier and more timetable and "what did I just spot?" driven and can play with receivers even when not near the coast, so the crowdsourced ADS-B model works well. - AIS is shorter range and has more issues with spoofing, data gaps etc (the commercial providers can clean it up but it's a bit more of a challenge for hobbyists)