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I very much agree. The recent outstanding advances in AI since at least the 90s seems to be in the spectrum of recognizing patterns bruteforcing through an insu

I very much agree. The recent outstanding advances in AI since at least the 90s seems to be in the spectrum of recognizing patterns bruteforcing through an insurmountable amount of data, arriving at black boxes that provide narrow solutions, with its inner structure remaining inescrutable to human understanding. I'm currently reading Surfaces and Essences from the same author, and it's so far been most illuminating. He very convincingly presents the thesis of the analogy being the foundation of each nd every concept and human thought. If someone could manage to apply and translate those insights into real algorithms and data structures to play with, that would be IMHO a big step towards general AI, or the very least a much more human like AI approach with its particular applications.

heuroci 6y ago
I am reading the same book. I think analogy is interesting but it doesn’t make sense that it would be the foundation. analogy is a heuristic to reason and communicate. It necessarily comes after intelligence.
- galaxyLogic 6y ago
  I think visual analogues guide abstract analysis of the analogues. In our brain we recognize shapes as similar whether that be visual shares or shapes of conceptual analysis. Category theory has an appealing visual base of links/arrows between things.
  - heuroci 6y ago
    I share your view on category theory and perhaps lattice theory as well. What I was trying to say is that before you can draw that analogy, regardless of what "shape" means to you , you have to construct the base shape. Analogy to me comes after you have stabilized "shapes" where you can draw comparison between a new input a set of stable patterns at which point you can point out the analogy. Syllogism may be closely related/involved. I am not disputing that being able to draw parallels and employ analogies are related to intelligence. I am just not so sure that this is how you can synthesize intelligence. It is all very complex of course, and there is a school of thought that cognition is very closely related to sensory and embodiment (i.e.: embodied cognition ). I think Aubrey de grey switched from AI to longevity because he figured he will need a long life to understand intelligence :) Personally, I am still working on it but had adjusted the scope a bit.
- hyperpallium2 6y ago
  Like shadows creating artificial shadows with paint.

heuroci 6y ago

I am reading the same book. I think analogy is interesting but it doesn’t make sense that it would be the foundation. analogy is a heuristic to reason and communicate. It necessarily comes after intelligence.

galaxyLogic 6y ago
I think visual analogues guide abstract analysis of the analogues. In our brain we recognize shapes as similar whether that be visual shares or shapes of conceptual analysis. Category theory has an appealing visual base of links/arrows between things.
- heuroci 6y ago
  I share your view on category theory and perhaps lattice theory as well. What I was trying to say is that before you can draw that analogy, regardless of what "shape" means to you , you have to construct the base shape. Analogy to me comes after you have stabilized "shapes" where you can draw comparison between a new input a set of stable patterns at which point you can point out the analogy. Syllogism may be closely related/involved. I am not disputing that being able to draw parallels and employ analogies are related to intelligence. I am just not so sure that this is how you can synthesize intelligence. It is all very complex of course, and there is a school of thought that cognition is very closely related to sensory and embodiment (i.e.: embodied cognition ). I think Aubrey de grey switched from AI to longevity because he figured he will need a long life to understand intelligence :) Personally, I am still working on it but had adjusted the scope a bit.
hyperpallium2 6y ago
Like shadows creating artificial shadows with paint.