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I think the modern cancel culture outmatches any cancelling happened before. Through the internet, almost any people can get “cancelled” by a large number of pe

by esjeon 6y ago

I think the modern cancel culture outmatches any cancelling happened before. Through the internet, almost any people can get “cancelled” by a large number of people. The current SNS system also amplifies negative emotions like anger, so it’s even much easier to get cancelled. Even when you do the right thing, an excerpt can render you a sexist, racist, etc. A big problem here is that the fittest to this environment is those who do nothing, since it’s very difficult to satisfy diverse social norms that have relatively small intersection. So I think the cancel culture does oppress the freedom of speech and thoughts, since the internet won’t forget and the mob won’t forgive.

zenethian 6y ago
You're right that it outmatches it, but it's the first time that the consumer can directly influence things by getting their voice heard. Previous cancel culture was limited to those who already had a captive audience: churches, large corporations, marketing agencies, and news outlets. Now that there's a wider, and (arguably) more free ability to communicate in large groups and quickly organize and share information, it's simply turning in new directions under the leadership of end users instead of opinionated juggernauts. Instead of cancelling rap music for explicit lyrics we're cancelling people who, despite their credentials or accomplishments, are still terrible people. The backlash isn't even that he's just done terrible things in the past, it's that he stands by his terrible opinion that he has done nothing wrong.
- nathanaldensr 6y ago
  So what? Who cares what cancel culture was and what it is? If you're a target, you're a target. There is only The Mob; their faces, affiliations, and politics matter little.
mcphage 6y ago
> I think the modern cancel culture outmatches any cancelling happened before. Through the internet, almost any people can get “cancelled” by a large number of people. I think it's the opposite: if you got cancelled previously—Walmart, Barnes & Noble, etc. stopped selling your book perhaps—you'd simply disappear into a memory hole. Nobody would have a way to find out about it, so nobody would know to care. Now at least other people may find out about it, and you can make a stand to fight back. > since the internet won’t forget and the mob won’t forgive The internet forgets plenty, and whether the mob's forgiveness even matters depends on whether your audience is in the mob.
kazinator 6y ago
> outmatches any cancelling [that] happened before Absolutely does not; not even concurrently happening cancelling around the globe. It doesn't match the Holocaust event associated with WWII; it doesn't match foreigners being nabbed and held in Chinese prisons; it doesn't match Rohingya people in Myanmar; it doesn't match Syria; ... Come on!

by esjeon 6y ago

zenethian 6y ago

You're right that it outmatches it, but it's the first time that the consumer can directly influence things by getting their voice heard. Previous cancel culture was limited to those who already had a captive audience: churches, large corporations, marketing agencies, and news outlets. Now that there's a wider, and (arguably) more free ability to communicate in large groups and quickly organize and share information, it's simply turning in new directions under the leadership of end users instead of opinionated juggernauts. Instead of cancelling rap music for explicit lyrics we're cancelling people who, despite their credentials or accomplishments, are still terrible people. The backlash isn't even that he's just done terrible things in the past, it's that he stands by his terrible opinion that he has done nothing wrong.

nathanaldensr 6y ago
So what? Who cares what cancel culture was and what it is? If you're a target, you're a target. There is only The Mob; their faces, affiliations, and politics matter little.

mcphage 6y ago

> I think the modern cancel culture outmatches any cancelling happened before. Through the internet, almost any people can get “cancelled” by a large number of people. I think it's the opposite: if you got cancelled previously—Walmart, Barnes & Noble, etc. stopped selling your book perhaps—you'd simply disappear into a memory hole. Nobody would have a way to find out about it, so nobody would know to care. Now at least other people may find out about it, and you can make a stand to fight back. > since the internet won’t forget and the mob won’t forgive The internet forgets plenty, and whether the mob's forgiveness even matters depends on whether your audience is in the mob.

kazinator 6y ago

> outmatches any cancelling [that] happened before Absolutely does not; not even concurrently happening cancelling around the globe. It doesn't match the Holocaust event associated with WWII; it doesn't match foreigners being nabbed and held in Chinese prisons; it doesn't match Rohingya people in Myanmar; it doesn't match Syria; ... Come on!