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So I didn't see any actual numbers or precentages about how far the Tesla fell short, did it fall short by like 2% of 25% because that would be a very big diffe

by hpoe 6y ago

So I didn't see any actual numbers or precentages about how far the Tesla fell short, did it fall short by like 2% of 25% because that would be a very big difference which the article seems to go to great lengths to avoid. In fact there is only one vehicle that we get what the EPA estimates were for it and it's not a Tesla. This seems to me like someone is going to great lengths to avoid putting in actual numbers and is instead just using this as a hit piece on Teslas.

jarbus 6y ago
The data is linked on the page: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... It seems like it falls just short, not anything worth writing about imo Model 3 Long Range: 353 claimed, 345 actual for an example
- stcredzero 6y ago
  Before people called them out on it, Edmunds only measured to when the Teslas displayed "zero range." Later, it turned out that the Teslas went further that the other EVs while reading "zero range."
jmisavage 6y ago
The edmunds article is probably the best source, but this is the article that I saw yesterday with some of the numbers. Some are quite noticeable in their drops like the 2018 S Performance went from 310 mi to 256 mi. All the non-Teslas got higher than their EPA rating. With the Porsche Taycan 203 mi to 323 mi. https://insideevs.com/news/496740/tesla-disputed-edmunds-tests-results/ https://insideevs.com/news/496740/tesla-disputed-edmunds-tes...
- stcredzero 6y ago
  That's an article too early. (Though they seem to address later objections in their edit.) It turns out that Teslas display more of their capacity under "zero range," giving more of a warning/buffer to drivers at low battery. The Teslas turned out to drive farther than the other cars when displaying "zero range." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_wf4EzLgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_wf4EzLgY
  - t-writescode 6y ago
    The "zero range" tends to be a safety buffer for gas engines and electric motors alike and should not be included in the official range statements, imo.
    - stcredzero 6y ago
      The way I use my Model 3, I intend to almost never go below 20% and almost never go above 80%. I'm just fine with including the buffer in the stated range. Given how batteries actually work, I can understand Tesla's approach to the buffer, and in the long run, that's what's actually better for vehicle longevity, fleet-wide.
blakesterz 6y ago
Looks like the numbers are here: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html#chart https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... They range from -2% for the S to -17% for the 2018 Model 3.
PragmaticPulp 6y ago
> So I didn't see any actual numbers or precentages about how far the Tesla fell short > This seems to me like someone is going to great lengths to avoid putting in actual numbers The first sentence of the article includes a link to one of the tests, with graphs and comparisons to other vehicles: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... The rest of the article has a lot of specific numbers: > For the other Teslas tested, however, things didn't go as "well." The 2018 Model 3 Performance was off by 54 miles—this might not look that notable on a couple-year-old model—but when the testing is performed in such friendly conditions that the 2020 Mini Cooper SE, with an EPA range of 110 miles, is exceeding that by 40 miles, then it just doesn't paint a pretty picture for the Tesla cars.

by hpoe 6y ago

jarbus 6y ago

The data is linked on the page: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... It seems like it falls just short, not anything worth writing about imo Model 3 Long Range: 353 claimed, 345 actual for an example

stcredzero 6y ago
Before people called them out on it, Edmunds only measured to when the Teslas displayed "zero range." Later, it turned out that the Teslas went further that the other EVs while reading "zero range."

jmisavage 6y ago

The edmunds article is probably the best source, but this is the article that I saw yesterday with some of the numbers. Some are quite noticeable in their drops like the 2018 S Performance went from 310 mi to 256 mi. All the non-Teslas got higher than their EPA rating. With the Porsche Taycan 203 mi to 323 mi. https://insideevs.com/news/496740/tesla-disputed-edmunds-tests-results/ https://insideevs.com/news/496740/tesla-disputed-edmunds-tes...

stcredzero 6y ago
That's an article too early. (Though they seem to address later objections in their edit.) It turns out that Teslas display more of their capacity under "zero range," giving more of a warning/buffer to drivers at low battery. The Teslas turned out to drive farther than the other cars when displaying "zero range." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_wf4EzLgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa_wf4EzLgY
- t-writescode 6y ago
  The "zero range" tends to be a safety buffer for gas engines and electric motors alike and should not be included in the official range statements, imo.
  - stcredzero 6y ago
    The way I use my Model 3, I intend to almost never go below 20% and almost never go above 80%. I'm just fine with including the buffer in the stated range. Given how batteries actually work, I can understand Tesla's approach to the buffer, and in the long run, that's what's actually better for vehicle longevity, fleet-wide.

blakesterz 6y ago

Looks like the numbers are here: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html#chart https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... They range from -2% for the S to -17% for the 2018 Model 3.

PragmaticPulp 6y ago

> So I didn't see any actual numbers or precentages about how far the Tesla fell short > This seems to me like someone is going to great lengths to avoid putting in actual numbers The first sentence of the article includes a link to one of the tests, with graphs and comparisons to other vehicles: https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... The rest of the article has a lot of specific numbers: > For the other Teslas tested, however, things didn't go as "well." The 2018 Model 3 Performance was off by 54 miles—this might not look that notable on a couple-year-old model—but when the testing is performed in such friendly conditions that the 2020 Mini Cooper SE, with an EPA range of 110 miles, is exceeding that by 40 miles, then it just doesn't paint a pretty picture for the Tesla cars.