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You... ratted out the guy who delivers your packages to his corporate masters for doing the very human homeostatic requirement of urination? Seriously?

alistairSH 6y ago
Peeing in a bottle wasn't the thing that was reported. Emptying a bottle of urine in front of the customer's home was the problem. The driver should have emptied the bottle into a toilet on his next break (or after his shift). Or, failing that, dump it in the woods out of the way.
- ahelwer 6y ago
  Perhaps he had to urinate again, and did not have an additional bottle? What then should he have done? If you'll notice, we're now heading down the path of playing out ever-more-elaborate strategies for individual delivery drivers to maintain homeostasis without offending the delicate sensibilities of the people they serve, instead of questioning why this is a problem in the first place.
  - SR2Z 6y ago
    The solution to this problem is not "dump a bottle of piss out on someone's lawn," it's "expand labor laws to cover this very obvious human rights issue and then hammer Amazon with it until they shape up." Workers need bathrooms, and employers have to pay for them.
    - ahelwer 6y ago
      We agree on the best outcome. What should workers do in the meantime?
      - deleted 6y ago
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    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      "And in the mean time, report all violators to Amazon" is the implicitly unsaid thing that people here are disagreeing with, not the obvious statement that labor laws should be expanded and enforced.
    - loa_in_ 6y ago
      Let's not escalate this into imaginary situations. He didn't dump piss on anyone's lawn.
    - 8note 6y ago
      I don't know if it's employers that have to pay for them. Society needs available bathrooms; they don't need to be gated behind employment or being a customer
    - jcampbell1 6y ago
      I used to do apartment maintenance and I considered asking someone to use their bathroom completely unprofessional. I peed in bottles and never thought it a big deal. A simple question, do you always offer water and a restroom to blue collar workers who enter your home? If so, you are in the 1%.
  - alistairSH 6y ago
    Oh, I agree. Everybody deserves regular breaks during the workday. People have to eat, drink, pee, etc. Lack of such breaks doesn't, IMO, excuse peeing in my yard.
    - ahelwer 6y ago
      Well, this is where we are. Delivery drivers are being crunched to make deliveries. Having someone pee in your yard just comes with the territory. Don't try to get them fired if they do that. I assure you many dogs pee in your yard any given day.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      So it's the yard now? Even if it was the yard, while that is definitely a dick move, getting a delivery worker fired over it is more of a dick move.
    - ectopod 6y ago
      It wasn't in anybody's yard, it was in the road. And they didn't pee there, they emptied a bottle.
- tclancy 6y ago
  >The driver should have emptied the bottle into a toilet on his next break I mean, if that were even a remote possibility he wouldn't have filled a bottle, would he now?
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  Drunk tech workers pee on the street in front of my house near Dolores park all day long, should I be calling the cops on them? I could probably snap a few photos and call the employer based on their backpacks too.
antattack 6y ago
At least now Amazon cannot say they know nothing about it.
- munk-a 6y ago
  You're underestimating the determination of willful ignorance - also, they can always claim this incident was just some weirdo that they then fired for acting inappropriately and then point to some BS statistics about driver job satisfaction. That all assumes this person's report isn't just blackholed by front-line communication folks at Amazon, which they could always ascribe to another "out of SOP action" or just wait a news cycle or two for people to forget if a stink was raised.

alistairSH 6y ago

Peeing in a bottle wasn't the thing that was reported. Emptying a bottle of urine in front of the customer's home was the problem. The driver should have emptied the bottle into a toilet on his next break (or after his shift). Or, failing that, dump it in the woods out of the way.

ahelwer 6y ago
Perhaps he had to urinate again, and did not have an additional bottle? What then should he have done? If you'll notice, we're now heading down the path of playing out ever-more-elaborate strategies for individual delivery drivers to maintain homeostasis without offending the delicate sensibilities of the people they serve, instead of questioning why this is a problem in the first place.
- SR2Z 6y ago
  The solution to this problem is not "dump a bottle of piss out on someone's lawn," it's "expand labor laws to cover this very obvious human rights issue and then hammer Amazon with it until they shape up." Workers need bathrooms, and employers have to pay for them.
  - ahelwer 6y ago
    We agree on the best outcome. What should workers do in the meantime?
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    "And in the mean time, report all violators to Amazon" is the implicitly unsaid thing that people here are disagreeing with, not the obvious statement that labor laws should be expanded and enforced.
  - loa_in_ 6y ago
    Let's not escalate this into imaginary situations. He didn't dump piss on anyone's lawn.
  - 8note 6y ago
    I don't know if it's employers that have to pay for them. Society needs available bathrooms; they don't need to be gated behind employment or being a customer
  - jcampbell1 6y ago
    I used to do apartment maintenance and I considered asking someone to use their bathroom completely unprofessional. I peed in bottles and never thought it a big deal. A simple question, do you always offer water and a restroom to blue collar workers who enter your home? If so, you are in the 1%.
- alistairSH 6y ago
  Oh, I agree. Everybody deserves regular breaks during the workday. People have to eat, drink, pee, etc. Lack of such breaks doesn't, IMO, excuse peeing in my yard.
  - ahelwer 6y ago
    Well, this is where we are. Delivery drivers are being crunched to make deliveries. Having someone pee in your yard just comes with the territory. Don't try to get them fired if they do that. I assure you many dogs pee in your yard any given day.
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    So it's the yard now? Even if it was the yard, while that is definitely a dick move, getting a delivery worker fired over it is more of a dick move.
  - ectopod 6y ago
    It wasn't in anybody's yard, it was in the road. And they didn't pee there, they emptied a bottle.
tclancy 6y ago
>The driver should have emptied the bottle into a toilet on his next break I mean, if that were even a remote possibility he wouldn't have filled a bottle, would he now?
whimsicalism 6y ago
Drunk tech workers pee on the street in front of my house near Dolores park all day long, should I be calling the cops on them? I could probably snap a few photos and call the employer based on their backpacks too.

antattack 6y ago

At least now Amazon cannot say they know nothing about it.

munk-a 6y ago
You're underestimating the determination of willful ignorance - also, they can always claim this incident was just some weirdo that they then fired for acting inappropriately and then point to some BS statistics about driver job satisfaction. That all assumes this person's report isn't just blackholed by front-line communication folks at Amazon, which they could always ascribe to another "out of SOP action" or just wait a news cycle or two for people to forget if a stink was raised.