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I 100% believe that drivers pee in containers - heck, my grandfather and I used to do the same when fishing - they make containers with handles specifically mad

I 100% believe that drivers pee in containers - heck, my grandfather and I used to do the same when fishing - they make containers with handles specifically made for this. That said, given that the firestorm has become very public, I would expect disgruntled (or any driver, they are wage slaves) drivers to be acting more conspicuous to draw more attention to the problem, which may temporarily inflate its visibility, but hopefully it also leads to change. I'd talk about it (spread the word like here), but avoid being specific enough to affect the worker unless it looks like they were endangering someone - but that's just me.

bluedino 6y ago
Why wouldn't you just pee into the water into which you are fishing?
- faeyanpiraat 6y ago
  Are you serious?
  - AlexandrB 6y ago
    Where do you think the fish pee?
    - whatshisface 6y ago
      You're in a boat in the middle of a flat lake. Picture it.
    - idlewords 6y ago
      In tiny bottles.
    - faeyanpiraat 6y ago
      Do you happen to “move your bowels” into the lake aswell?
- foobiekr 6y ago
  Because you are contaminating the water. Don’t do this.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    Every acre-foot of lake is over 325K gallons or well over a million liters. A typical destination lake will have over half-trillion (0.5 x 10¹²) gallons of water in it. Your and your 1000 friends' pint/500mL of urine isn't going to do anything meaningful to the lake.
    - ahelwer 6y ago
      I enjoy public lands quite a bit; people really should adhere to Leave No Trace[0] principles quite strictly - which says to urinate at least 200 feet from water sources. People always want to be a lawyer about why each rule does or doesn't apply to their specific situation. And we all suffer for it. [0] https://www.outdoors.org/articles/amc-outdoors/leave-no-trace-dispose-of-waste-properly https://www.outdoors.org/articles/amc-outdoors/leave-no-trac...
      - ghaff 6y ago
        BTW, it depends on the climate. Somewhere like the Grand Canyon that is quite dry other than the big river flowing through it along with some streams and other tributaries, the preference is to pee in the river. I agree that in the Northeast, the preference is to do it away from water sources.
      - anticristi 6y ago
        > Urine will not harm vegetation or soil, according to Leave No Trace, however it may attract wildlife. When locating a discrete spot, follow Leave No Trace guidelines to travel on durable surfaces as well as stay 200 feet away from water sources. Dilute the urine afterwards by pouring water over it. I gather urinating in lakes is okay even by the strictest standards.
      - whimsicalism 6y ago
        I don't think a reasonable reading of the principles you linked generates the rules you are saying they do.
- dahdum 6y ago
  That works well when you're far enough from others, male, and you can keep your balance in a small boat while standing. A tin can / bottle works in more situations. You just pour it out over the side after then rinse it in the lake.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  The same reason that there's the "no alcoholic beverages" rule right above the "no pissing" rule. Once upon a time someone either did it in poor taste or complained in poor taste and now it's against the rules and there's yet another entry on the big sign by the boat launch saying so. So everyone keeps doing it but they have to hide it for plausible deniability.
- stickfigure 6y ago
  "Water? Never touch the stuff. Fish fuck in it." -- W.C. Fields
- codezero 6y ago
  It was on the Detroit river, a major shipping lane and the boat was tiny, I’d be flashing everyone and I was a kid and self conscious about pissing in front of people, still am.
sumtechguy 6y ago
Drivers break the rules all the time for various reasons. At one point I loved messing with drivers and would say 'so how many log books do you have'. My record is 6 (not sure how he kept that all straight). But usually they do whatever they can to have extra time to do other things. Lets say your trip takes 12 hours. If you push it all the way and do not stop maybe you can make it in 9. That gives you 3 hours to do 'other' things and get paid for 12 (harder to do these days with automated logs).

bluedino 6y ago

Why wouldn't you just pee into the water into which you are fishing?

faeyanpiraat 6y ago
Are you serious?
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  Where do you think the fish pee?
  - whatshisface 6y ago
    You're in a boat in the middle of a flat lake. Picture it.
  - idlewords 6y ago
    In tiny bottles.
  - faeyanpiraat 6y ago
    Do you happen to “move your bowels” into the lake aswell?
foobiekr 6y ago
Because you are contaminating the water. Don’t do this.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Every acre-foot of lake is over 325K gallons or well over a million liters. A typical destination lake will have over half-trillion (0.5 x 10¹²) gallons of water in it. Your and your 1000 friends' pint/500mL of urine isn't going to do anything meaningful to the lake.
  - ahelwer 6y ago
    I enjoy public lands quite a bit; people really should adhere to Leave No Trace[0] principles quite strictly - which says to urinate at least 200 feet from water sources. People always want to be a lawyer about why each rule does or doesn't apply to their specific situation. And we all suffer for it. [0] https://www.outdoors.org/articles/amc-outdoors/leave-no-trace-dispose-of-waste-properly https://www.outdoors.org/articles/amc-outdoors/leave-no-trac...
    - ghaff 6y ago
      BTW, it depends on the climate. Somewhere like the Grand Canyon that is quite dry other than the big river flowing through it along with some streams and other tributaries, the preference is to pee in the river. I agree that in the Northeast, the preference is to do it away from water sources.
    - anticristi 6y ago
      > Urine will not harm vegetation or soil, according to Leave No Trace, however it may attract wildlife. When locating a discrete spot, follow Leave No Trace guidelines to travel on durable surfaces as well as stay 200 feet away from water sources. Dilute the urine afterwards by pouring water over it. I gather urinating in lakes is okay even by the strictest standards.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      I don't think a reasonable reading of the principles you linked generates the rules you are saying they do.
dahdum 6y ago
That works well when you're far enough from others, male, and you can keep your balance in a small boat while standing. A tin can / bottle works in more situations. You just pour it out over the side after then rinse it in the lake.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
The same reason that there's the "no alcoholic beverages" rule right above the "no pissing" rule. Once upon a time someone either did it in poor taste or complained in poor taste and now it's against the rules and there's yet another entry on the big sign by the boat launch saying so. So everyone keeps doing it but they have to hide it for plausible deniability.
stickfigure 6y ago
"Water? Never touch the stuff. Fish fuck in it." -- W.C. Fields
codezero 6y ago
It was on the Detroit river, a major shipping lane and the boat was tiny, I’d be flashing everyone and I was a kid and self conscious about pissing in front of people, still am.

sumtechguy 6y ago

Drivers break the rules all the time for various reasons. At one point I loved messing with drivers and would say 'so how many log books do you have'. My record is 6 (not sure how he kept that all straight). But usually they do whatever they can to have extra time to do other things. Lets say your trip takes 12 hours. If you push it all the way and do not stop maybe you can make it in 9. That gives you 3 hours to do 'other' things and get paid for 12 (harder to do these days with automated logs).