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I don't mind them pushing back on politicians, but I do mind them lying while they do it. I'm also stopping purchases from amazon.com based on this, but I'm no

I don't mind them pushing back on politicians, but I do mind them lying while they do it. I'm also stopping purchases from amazon.com based on this, but I'm not yet ready or able to cut out AWS

ericmay 6y ago
> but I do mind them lying while they do it Sure, I sympathize with this. But one person's lies are another person's truth in this day and age, unfortunately.
- suprfsat 6y ago
  You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you?
  - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
    We know from internal amazon communications it's happening. It's comical for them to deny it, except for the human misery they are making by having work expectations that make it almost impossible to take bathroom breaks and meet their expectations. The memos that say "please don't leave pee in the trucks, please don't leave poop, we can figure out who you are".
    - tpmoney 6y ago
      Just because something happens and there are memos about it doesn’t mean it happens because of corporate policy. I’ve worked jobs that had memos that said “please don’t pee all over the floor and seat of the bathroom” and “please don’t throw poop covered toilet paper in the trash”. In neither case was the job or corporate policy so unbearable as to not allow enough time for proper bathroom use. It just seems there are some people that don’t understand normal / acceptable human bathroom behavior.
  - WalterSear 6y ago
    I suspect that many people just don't want to believe it, and shape their beliefs to fit their ideology.
  - chewmieser 6y ago
    This isn't new - Amazon workers have had to pee in bottles for years. From 2018: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-have-to-pee-into-bottles-2018-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-hav... This is just the same old Amazon - they optimize everything to the point that humans can't keep pace with their metrics without cutting corners.
    - Rule35 6y ago
      > have had to pee in bottles for years Contractors can choose to pee where they want. But employees can sue so easily over this sort of thing. It's a specific OSHA violation. This story depends on confusing the issue about who is and isn't a contractor, doing this to themselves. The contractor should be let go. As the response notes, they represent the company and represent it badly.
      - colejohnson66 6y ago
        If they’re driving an Amazon branded truck, they’re Amazon for all I care. When an ISP contractor shows up at your house and is rude, you don’t go “well, they’re a contractor, so I can’t blame Spectrum for this.” No, they have Spectrum’s branding on, so they represent Spectrum. It doesn’t matter if they’re a contractor or not.
        Rule35 6y ago
        Right, that's why they need to be terminated regardless of their specific style of employment.
    - d1zzy 6y ago
      Well, at some point they will have managed to remove all need for unskilled labor and then everyone will be happy, right? /s
  - austhrow743 6y ago
    I’m certain that every delivery or truck driver has peed in bottles and that most do it regularly. It’s a giant hassle to do otherwise and peeing in a bottle ain’t that bad.
- ncallaway 6y ago
  Right, but _I_ think they're lying, and so they've lost _my_ purchases because of it. That's the problem when you make corporate statements that are both controversial and on shaky factual ground. The shakier the factual ground the more people might decide you are not telling the truth (as they see it) and stop doing business with you. Again, I have _zero_ problem with a company being snarky with politicians. Criticizing our electeds is the core of the first amendment and I fully support citizens right to disagree with political figures—even political figures I mostly agree with. For example, this particular tweet from @amazonnews I quite agree with: https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007 https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007. > This is extraordinary and revealing. One of the most powerful politicians in the United States just said she’s going to break up an American company so that they can’t criticize her anymore. I have no problem with companies being "powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets". I actually have a problem with the inverse: there should be no company that is not powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets.

I don't mind them pushing back on politicians, but I do mind them lying while they do it. I'm also stopping purchases from amazon.com based on this, but I'm not yet ready or able to cut out AWS

ericmay 6y ago

> but I do mind them lying while they do it Sure, I sympathize with this. But one person's lies are another person's truth in this day and age, unfortunately.

suprfsat 6y ago
You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you?
- NotSammyHagar 6y ago
  We know from internal amazon communications it's happening. It's comical for them to deny it, except for the human misery they are making by having work expectations that make it almost impossible to take bathroom breaks and meet their expectations. The memos that say "please don't leave pee in the trucks, please don't leave poop, we can figure out who you are".
  - tpmoney 6y ago
    Just because something happens and there are memos about it doesn’t mean it happens because of corporate policy. I’ve worked jobs that had memos that said “please don’t pee all over the floor and seat of the bathroom” and “please don’t throw poop covered toilet paper in the trash”. In neither case was the job or corporate policy so unbearable as to not allow enough time for proper bathroom use. It just seems there are some people that don’t understand normal / acceptable human bathroom behavior.
- WalterSear 6y ago
  I suspect that many people just don't want to believe it, and shape their beliefs to fit their ideology.
- chewmieser 6y ago
  This isn't new - Amazon workers have had to pee in bottles for years. From 2018: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-have-to-pee-into-bottles-2018-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-workers-hav... This is just the same old Amazon - they optimize everything to the point that humans can't keep pace with their metrics without cutting corners.
  - Rule35 6y ago
    > have had to pee in bottles for years Contractors can choose to pee where they want. But employees can sue so easily over this sort of thing. It's a specific OSHA violation. This story depends on confusing the issue about who is and isn't a contractor, doing this to themselves. The contractor should be let go. As the response notes, they represent the company and represent it badly.
    - colejohnson66 6y ago
      If they’re driving an Amazon branded truck, they’re Amazon for all I care. When an ISP contractor shows up at your house and is rude, you don’t go “well, they’re a contractor, so I can’t blame Spectrum for this.” No, they have Spectrum’s branding on, so they represent Spectrum. It doesn’t matter if they’re a contractor or not.
      - Rule35 6y ago
        Right, that's why they need to be terminated regardless of their specific style of employment.
  - d1zzy 6y ago
    Well, at some point they will have managed to remove all need for unskilled labor and then everyone will be happy, right? /s
- austhrow743 6y ago
  I’m certain that every delivery or truck driver has peed in bottles and that most do it regularly. It’s a giant hassle to do otherwise and peeing in a bottle ain’t that bad.
ncallaway 6y ago
Right, but _I_ think they're lying, and so they've lost _my_ purchases because of it. That's the problem when you make corporate statements that are both controversial and on shaky factual ground. The shakier the factual ground the more people might decide you are not telling the truth (as they see it) and stop doing business with you. Again, I have _zero_ problem with a company being snarky with politicians. Criticizing our electeds is the core of the first amendment and I fully support citizens right to disagree with political figures—even political figures I mostly agree with. For example, this particular tweet from @amazonnews I quite agree with: https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007 https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007. > This is extraordinary and revealing. One of the most powerful politicians in the United States just said she’s going to break up an American company so that they can’t criticize her anymore. I have no problem with companies being "powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets". I actually have a problem with the inverse: there should be no company that is not powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets.