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I think you are looking for a regular socially democratic government, not a church.

by engineeringwoke 6y ago

bopbeepboop 6y ago
Why would a government be involved in any of those things? That sounds like a Soviet-style dystopia.
- subpixel 6y ago
  Only the state-sponsored dating, which I’m sure is not what the commenter was implying! If you’ve never lived in a society that offered socialist advantages like affordable health care, elder care, government-funded community engagement programs, etc. then I guess it’s easy to be scared by things you don’t understand. I’m not putting this on you, but when people turn to religion with fear already pulsing through their veins, good things never happen.
  - bopbeepboop 6y ago
    > If you’ve never lived in a society that offered socialist advantages like affordable health care, elder care, government-funded community engagement programs, etc. then I guess it’s easy to be scared by things you don’t understand. I don’t think it’s commenting in good faith to think the only reason I would find those things dystopic is because I am ignorant or haven’t experienced them. That sort of insulting non-answer from utopian is precisely what tends to scare me — and lead to horrific outcomes in the real world.
    - subpixel 6y ago
      I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. And there's nothing utopian about, for example, healthcare in Germany (with which I have a decade's experience) - it's just more accessible, more affordable, and more effective at producing public health outcomes than what exists in America, my country of birth. There is nothing dystopian about having a dental emergency handled in the middle of the night, at no cost to you.
      - bopbeepboop 6y ago
        > I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. I’ll say it again: You’re assuming I’m ignorant about or haven’t experienced what you’re talking about. This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith.
        subpixel 6y ago
        > This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith. That's a rich assessment on a thread about the precipitous decline in US church attendance. I rest my case.
        dang 6y ago
        Please don't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of what another commenter does. It only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        dang 6y ago
        If you continue to break the site guidelines like this we are going to have to ban you again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

I think you are looking for a regular socially democratic government, not a church.

bopbeepboop 6y ago

Why would a government be involved in any of those things? That sounds like a Soviet-style dystopia.

subpixel 6y ago
Only the state-sponsored dating, which I’m sure is not what the commenter was implying! If you’ve never lived in a society that offered socialist advantages like affordable health care, elder care, government-funded community engagement programs, etc. then I guess it’s easy to be scared by things you don’t understand. I’m not putting this on you, but when people turn to religion with fear already pulsing through their veins, good things never happen.
- bopbeepboop 6y ago
  > If you’ve never lived in a society that offered socialist advantages like affordable health care, elder care, government-funded community engagement programs, etc. then I guess it’s easy to be scared by things you don’t understand. I don’t think it’s commenting in good faith to think the only reason I would find those things dystopic is because I am ignorant or haven’t experienced them. That sort of insulting non-answer from utopian is precisely what tends to scare me — and lead to horrific outcomes in the real world.
  - subpixel 6y ago
    I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. And there's nothing utopian about, for example, healthcare in Germany (with which I have a decade's experience) - it's just more accessible, more affordable, and more effective at producing public health outcomes than what exists in America, my country of birth. There is nothing dystopian about having a dental emergency handled in the middle of the night, at no cost to you.
    - bopbeepboop 6y ago
      > I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. I’ll say it again: You’re assuming I’m ignorant about or haven’t experienced what you’re talking about. This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith.
      - subpixel 6y ago
        > This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith. That's a rich assessment on a thread about the precipitous decline in US church attendance. I rest my case.
        dang 6y ago
        Please don't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of what another commenter does. It only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dang 6y ago
        If you continue to break the site guidelines like this we are going to have to ban you again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.