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I honestly love that it was freed using the "boring" solution. No need for any of the crazy solutions people proposed on the internet. Just careful and measured

I honestly love that it was freed using the "boring" solution. No need for any of the crazy solutions people proposed on the internet. Just careful and measured execution of proven techniques.

tgv 6y ago
Not surprised. It's directly available, and there's a lot of experience. And the consequences and costs are known. But probably other companies were already working on alternatives. I wouldn't be surprised if Elon would send a small, custom built sub next week.
- VBprogrammer 6y ago
  Is that before or after he tells the guy in charge of the salvage operation to shove the sub up his backside and go back to fiddling children?
  - iab 6y ago
    Precedent is after i believe
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mwgarcia 6y ago
It's the only practical solution really. Cranes - Likely on a barge, on a relatively narrow canal. That's quite precarious. And make that two for both sides (canal is impassable). Heavy lift helicopters - Even the few multiple automated cranes capable of handling a ship this size take days to unload it. Also these helicopters are quite expensive to operate. Floatation devices - See Costa Concordia salvage operations. Lots of consideration for structural stress. Lots of mounting points on the ship. Lots of actual engineering needed for the floatation devices themselves.
- dev_tty01 6y ago
  Agreed. Cranes - the ones used in ports are absolutely massive. Not realistic. Helicopter not possible. Max lift is the M-26 at 44,000 lbs and containers are rated for about 60,000 loaded lbs. Flotation is unlikely due to lack of water depth. Bouyant force is based on displaced water. As long as the ship remained intact, dredging and tugging was almost certain to work. Ultimately a simple problem. Just a matter of time. Of course, keeping the ship intact wasn't a certainty, so even beyond economic pressures, moving quickly was important. They moved a bit slow at first before they realized how bad it really was. After that, it seemed like they did a great job getting the right experts involved and making it all happen about as quick as could be expected given all the logistics.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    Heavy containers tend to be loaded further down in the ship.
_ph_ 6y ago
Yes, this was what one would call the default approach of digging and tugging. I am very glad it worked. However, there was a distinct possibility, that this approach would not have worked, and I think all the discussions were about possible alternative approaches. If the high tide at full moon had not provided enough lift, then they would have had to figure out a way to unload the ship.
hinkley 6y ago
On the down side, because the solution was so boring, they are likely to learn much less from this experience.
mildweed 6y ago
Choose Boring Technology
- ragebol 6y ago
  Should make a company around that!

I honestly love that it was freed using the "boring" solution. No need for any of the crazy solutions people proposed on the internet. Just careful and measured execution of proven techniques.

tgv 6y ago

Not surprised. It's directly available, and there's a lot of experience. And the consequences and costs are known. But probably other companies were already working on alternatives. I wouldn't be surprised if Elon would send a small, custom built sub next week.

VBprogrammer 6y ago
Is that before or after he tells the guy in charge of the salvage operation to shove the sub up his backside and go back to fiddling children?
- iab 6y ago
  Precedent is after i believe

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mwgarcia 6y ago

It's the only practical solution really. Cranes - Likely on a barge, on a relatively narrow canal. That's quite precarious. And make that two for both sides (canal is impassable). Heavy lift helicopters - Even the few multiple automated cranes capable of handling a ship this size take days to unload it. Also these helicopters are quite expensive to operate. Floatation devices - See Costa Concordia salvage operations. Lots of consideration for structural stress. Lots of mounting points on the ship. Lots of actual engineering needed for the floatation devices themselves.

dev_tty01 6y ago
Agreed. Cranes - the ones used in ports are absolutely massive. Not realistic. Helicopter not possible. Max lift is the M-26 at 44,000 lbs and containers are rated for about 60,000 loaded lbs. Flotation is unlikely due to lack of water depth. Bouyant force is based on displaced water. As long as the ship remained intact, dredging and tugging was almost certain to work. Ultimately a simple problem. Just a matter of time. Of course, keeping the ship intact wasn't a certainty, so even beyond economic pressures, moving quickly was important. They moved a bit slow at first before they realized how bad it really was. After that, it seemed like they did a great job getting the right experts involved and making it all happen about as quick as could be expected given all the logistics.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Heavy containers tend to be loaded further down in the ship.

_ph_ 6y ago

Yes, this was what one would call the default approach of digging and tugging. I am very glad it worked. However, there was a distinct possibility, that this approach would not have worked, and I think all the discussions were about possible alternative approaches. If the high tide at full moon had not provided enough lift, then they would have had to figure out a way to unload the ship.

hinkley 6y ago

On the down side, because the solution was so boring, they are likely to learn much less from this experience.

mildweed 6y ago

Choose Boring Technology

ragebol 6y ago
Should make a company around that!