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Of course, there's a vast ecosystem still running shopping carts, forums and whatnot. It's much more prevalent that you seem to think. Just because it's not coo

by _joel 6y ago

Of course, there's a vast ecosystem still running shopping carts, forums and whatnot. It's much more prevalent that you seem to think. Just because it's not cool anymore (or well ever) doesn't mean it's dead.

jw1224 6y ago
That's a very dated view of PHP. Modern PHP is far "cooler" than it was a few years ago. Just look at the entire https://laravel.com https://laravel.com ecosystem — the most starred web framework on all of GitHub, across all languages, is Laravel.
- fogihujy 6y ago
  Also, WordPress. WordPress is pretty much everywhere.
  - rocketpastsix 6y ago
    and there are reasons for that. As bad as it is for a developer experience, the ui for non-tech people just can't be beat.
    - fogihujy 6y ago
      Oh, definitely. As a blogging engine it's quite usable and very easy to get used to even for people who are IT-illiterate. I'm not convinced it's the best for building e-commerce sites and whatever people are piggy-backing on top of WordPress nowadays.
- zoid_ 6y ago
  Discovering Laravel a couple of years ago was perhaps one of the most significant things that made PHP interesting again after 20+ years of working with PHP. It's refreshing (as far as PHP goes) and worth checking out with an open mind. Performance on the other hand, that take a little more work.
  - jw1224 6y ago
    Performance keeps getting better, particularly with PHP 7 and 8. And just last week, “Laravel Octane” was announced... it lets you serve a Laravel app using Swoole, and early benchmarks on a MacBook Pro suggest 25k+ HTTP requests served per second!
    - zoid_ 6y ago
      Cool, I'll have to get updated and checkout Laravel Octane soon after clearing a work backlog, did notice Taylor tweet something about it. I'm guessing your benchmarks are using native php-fpm and not through docker on your MBP?
      - jw1224 6y ago
        I’m not too sure, I was just quoting the figures Taylor gave after his Laracon demo. I think the beta is being released next week.
      - tpetry 6y ago
        Laravel Octane is using Swoole which implements a complete webserver, so there won‘t be any php-fpm more. As you would need to restart the server for every code change, there won‘t be a performance difference between docker on mac and non-docker.
- _joel 6y ago
  Oh, I get that, it was more directed at the OP. It's not your Rust, Nim or Crystal or... which is what I meant about 'cool'. Coolness is always in the eye of the beholder :)

by _joel 6y ago

jw1224 6y ago

That's a very dated view of PHP. Modern PHP is far "cooler" than it was a few years ago. Just look at the entire https://laravel.com https://laravel.com ecosystem — the most starred web framework on all of GitHub, across all languages, is Laravel.

fogihujy 6y ago
Also, WordPress. WordPress is pretty much everywhere.
- rocketpastsix 6y ago
  and there are reasons for that. As bad as it is for a developer experience, the ui for non-tech people just can't be beat.
  - fogihujy 6y ago
    Oh, definitely. As a blogging engine it's quite usable and very easy to get used to even for people who are IT-illiterate. I'm not convinced it's the best for building e-commerce sites and whatever people are piggy-backing on top of WordPress nowadays.
zoid_ 6y ago
Discovering Laravel a couple of years ago was perhaps one of the most significant things that made PHP interesting again after 20+ years of working with PHP. It's refreshing (as far as PHP goes) and worth checking out with an open mind. Performance on the other hand, that take a little more work.
- jw1224 6y ago
  Performance keeps getting better, particularly with PHP 7 and 8. And just last week, “Laravel Octane” was announced... it lets you serve a Laravel app using Swoole, and early benchmarks on a MacBook Pro suggest 25k+ HTTP requests served per second!
  - zoid_ 6y ago
    Cool, I'll have to get updated and checkout Laravel Octane soon after clearing a work backlog, did notice Taylor tweet something about it. I'm guessing your benchmarks are using native php-fpm and not through docker on your MBP?
    - jw1224 6y ago
      I’m not too sure, I was just quoting the figures Taylor gave after his Laracon demo. I think the beta is being released next week.
    - tpetry 6y ago
      Laravel Octane is using Swoole which implements a complete webserver, so there won‘t be any php-fpm more. As you would need to restart the server for every code change, there won‘t be a performance difference between docker on mac and non-docker.
_joel 6y ago
Oh, I get that, it was more directed at the OP. It's not your Rust, Nim or Crystal or... which is what I meant about 'cool'. Coolness is always in the eye of the beholder :)