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I think the concept is pretty straightforward? It's if you believe women < men generally (not like, avg(women height) < avg(men height)). The last one, "I like

I think the concept is pretty straightforward? It's if you believe women < men generally (not like, avg(women height) < avg(men height)). The last one, "I liked a feature of her" is not misogynistic absent of context. The context here is really important. It's like saying "I like your haircut". Did I pass up promotion for another person in a non-modeling job because they had a shitty haircut?

techbio 6y ago
Not sure I understand the analogy. You mean speaking professionally in a professional context is not (should not be?) misogynistic. Then is it not a little strange that you're commenting on a person's haircut, who is not applying for a modeling job for which they're required to cut their own hair?
- brigandish 6y ago
  You seem to be implying that it's not professional to mention a haircut. What is unprofessional about it? I've had my haircut mentioned at work… because I'd had a haircut. It's people trying to be nice or make conversation, and neither of those things are unprofessional.
  - techbio 6y ago
    Parent comment seemed to mention promotions based on appearance? Something else? I understand your point, of course, but it does not actually explain theirs.
    - brigandish 6y ago
      Fair enough, I should've taken that into account. I work from home so the only person who remarks on my hair is my wife, and her comments, if overheard, might pass for misandry. I'm trying to forment a Twitter mob against her in response.
unishark 6y ago
I think the problem was the "unintentional" part, which seems to be contradictory.
- raducu 6y ago
  I clarrified it, basically someone made a remark/joke that is clearly sexist, but he never displayed sexism at all. It was just unprofessional I would say. For instance I can appreciate a dark joke that would clearly be sexist/racist/antisemitic/homophobic, I can even reproduce it in a like-minded circle of people, and I still don't consider myself sexist/racist/homophobic.
raducu 6y ago
You are right that context is everything, but it works both ways. You can make a sexist joke without being sexist, but it can still be inapropriate/unprofessional, and it can still cost you dearly.

techbio 6y ago

Not sure I understand the analogy. You mean speaking professionally in a professional context is not (should not be?) misogynistic. Then is it not a little strange that you're commenting on a person's haircut, who is not applying for a modeling job for which they're required to cut their own hair?

brigandish 6y ago
You seem to be implying that it's not professional to mention a haircut. What is unprofessional about it? I've had my haircut mentioned at work… because I'd had a haircut. It's people trying to be nice or make conversation, and neither of those things are unprofessional.
- techbio 6y ago
  Parent comment seemed to mention promotions based on appearance? Something else? I understand your point, of course, but it does not actually explain theirs.
  - brigandish 6y ago
    Fair enough, I should've taken that into account. I work from home so the only person who remarks on my hair is my wife, and her comments, if overheard, might pass for misandry. I'm trying to forment a Twitter mob against her in response.

unishark 6y ago

I think the problem was the "unintentional" part, which seems to be contradictory.

raducu 6y ago
I clarrified it, basically someone made a remark/joke that is clearly sexist, but he never displayed sexism at all. It was just unprofessional I would say. For instance I can appreciate a dark joke that would clearly be sexist/racist/antisemitic/homophobic, I can even reproduce it in a like-minded circle of people, and I still don't consider myself sexist/racist/homophobic.

raducu 6y ago

You are right that context is everything, but it works both ways. You can make a sexist joke without being sexist, but it can still be inapropriate/unprofessional, and it can still cost you dearly.