> some things like public transit the market just cannot do. Sure it can. Many major cities in the US had multiple competing private companies providing public

> some things like public transit the market just cannot do. Sure it can. Many major cities in the US had multiple competing private companies providing public transit, and doing it quite efficiently and cheaply, up until around World War II. Then governments took over, drove the private companies out of business, and proceeded to make public transit in the US the mess that it is today. But even with all that, private companies can still provide efficient public transit in the US today--if they're allowed to use buses traveling on roads to do it, instead of rail. For example, in the area where I live, a privately owned bus company was providing affordable bus service, faster than a driving commute, until the government stepped in and forced it out of business, in favor of a huge white elephant project to extend the rail system, giving people a longer commute (1 hour or more from train station to work, vs. a half hour to 40 minutes from bus stop, at the same location, to work) at a higher price (even though the rail system is government subsidized while the bus company was not). > What's the point of individualist- nuclear-family-ist- vineer of that suburbanization if behind the scenes there is massive collecitivism to enforce everything to need it work? You don't need massive collectivism to make suburbanization work. You need massive collectivism to make urbanization work. And the only reason we use the term "suburban" at all in the US is that we've urbanized so much. Before the massive urbanization of the US in the mid to late 20th century, the places we now call "suburbs" were just towns--towns that had developed naturally through freedom of choice and cooperation among people who wanted to form communities. Urbanization is what killed so many of those towns and destroyed what used to be a well functioning system of communities in favor of massive collectivism. > this big mess of unsustainability The claim that any lifestyle but an urbanized lifestyle is "unsustainable" is nonsense. What is unsustainable is massive collectivism. Massive collectivism killed more than a hundred million people in the twentieth century. It doesn't work.