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Wow... navigating to this link brings up: 1) 33%-height ad for IBM at the top. 2) 20%-height offer to subscribe on the bottom. 3) Overlay asking for my email a

by VelNZ 6y ago

Wow... navigating to this link brings up: 1) 33%-height ad for IBM at the top. 2) 20%-height offer to subscribe on the bottom. 3) Overlay asking for my email address which greys out the article. Scrolling down, there is a autoplay video on the right sidebar along with most read content and ads. The whole page is so bloated it lags my 1 year old MacBook just scrolling down.

joegahona 6y ago
And they somehow make the Back button on my browser hit their homepage.
- littlecranky67 6y ago
  It is called url history hijacking and a common "dark pattern". There are event websites which will block you to ever coming back to where you started (i.e. when navigating away from hacker news). Thats the issue with modern web apis: Browsers add them with good intent to allow for modern web apps and improve UX, and advertisers abuse it to cripple UX but bring up "engagement" with the website.
- technofiend 6y ago
  That is annoying. You can right click the back button of your browser to select the proper history entry and go back to where you came from.
brundolf 6y ago
Reader mode is a great thing. It's readily available in Safari and Firefox
- input_sh 6y ago
  I use it more to avoid wonky font choices that make it inconvenient to read (small text, weird font or spacing).
fogihujy 6y ago
On the other hand, the site is quite usable with an ad-blocker.
- UShouldBWorking 6y ago
  Which do you use?
- vmception 6y ago
  quite useable as a subscriber too
simion314 6y ago
Works fine with JS off. Remember when we had plugins to have flash off and you need to click on the flash element to allow it to load? In Vivaldi I can keep JS off and whitelist websites that deserve JS because they need it, like maybe they have a simulation/animation/game thing on it.
- riffraff 6y ago
  uBlock has a handy "turn off js" button in its advanced ui, I regularly use it for bloomberg.
  - simion314 6y ago
    Curious if you can have JS off for all and just whitelist as you need, whitelisting seems safer and more efficient for technical people that can guess if something is wrong when JS is off.
    - LandR 6y ago
      I run NoScript so I default to JS off for every site and will allow only what I need to allow to get a specific site to work.
    - sergeykish 6y ago
      uMatrix, just disable global 1st-party: * * * block * * css allow * * frame block * * image allow * 1st-party frame allow Bonus point — this also disables cookies.
    - gorhill 6y ago
      Yes, there is a setting in the dashboard to disable JS by default and enabled as needed.[1] Even more advanced users can set up uBO to work in default-deny mode to only allow resources from specific 3rd-party domains as needed, and on a per-site basis.[2] * * * [1] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Per-site-switches#no-scripting https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Per-site-switches#no-... [2] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium...
unicornporn 6y ago
That is to be expected outside the smol web. :) However, Firefox for Android with uBlock Origin shows the article without a trace of what you're describing.
ornornor 6y ago
I can’t believe there are people still browsing the web without an adblocker at the very minimum. Complain all you want about starving artists and as revenue, that shit is precisely why a lot of people use them. Not a dig at parent, but a general observation.
- paganel 6y ago
  Not the OP, but generally speaking by not having ad-blockers installed I try to to give the more honest websites that rely on advertising a semblance of a chance at financially surviving. It's also a good way to decide which websites to visit and which to not visit, if said website is too bloated I close the tab immediately (like it happened here).
  - manojlds 6y ago
    Or you could read the page, see that it's worth it, ask your adblocker to unblock this site and reload the page.
    - skinnymuch 6y ago
      I have a hard time believing there’s any one or more than a literal Hand full who are so diligent as to actually do this for every site that is good enough. It’s a common talking point though as if it’s actually a practice that would could be common
      - sunsipples 6y ago
        I only visit 20-30 sites over a week that I feel obliged to unblock as I visit them weekly and they don't offer a subscription for an ad free experience. If it helps them in anyway, I'm all for it. 3 of the admins I have managed to email questions to have also declined me sending them money or buying them a beer/coffee via paypal I'd love if every small website had a tip jar, buy them a coffee every week/fortnight/month
        6y ago
fakedang 6y ago
Not to mention, Brave browser detected 40 trackers. Big part of the reason I canceled my BBG subscription.

by VelNZ 6y ago

joegahona 6y ago

And they somehow make the Back button on my browser hit their homepage.

littlecranky67 6y ago
It is called url history hijacking and a common "dark pattern". There are event websites which will block you to ever coming back to where you started (i.e. when navigating away from hacker news). Thats the issue with modern web apis: Browsers add them with good intent to allow for modern web apps and improve UX, and advertisers abuse it to cripple UX but bring up "engagement" with the website.
technofiend 6y ago
That is annoying. You can right click the back button of your browser to select the proper history entry and go back to where you came from.

brundolf 6y ago

Reader mode is a great thing. It's readily available in Safari and Firefox

input_sh 6y ago
I use it more to avoid wonky font choices that make it inconvenient to read (small text, weird font or spacing).

fogihujy 6y ago

On the other hand, the site is quite usable with an ad-blocker.

UShouldBWorking 6y ago
Which do you use?
vmception 6y ago
quite useable as a subscriber too

simion314 6y ago

Works fine with JS off. Remember when we had plugins to have flash off and you need to click on the flash element to allow it to load? In Vivaldi I can keep JS off and whitelist websites that deserve JS because they need it, like maybe they have a simulation/animation/game thing on it.

riffraff 6y ago
uBlock has a handy "turn off js" button in its advanced ui, I regularly use it for bloomberg.
- simion314 6y ago
  Curious if you can have JS off for all and just whitelist as you need, whitelisting seems safer and more efficient for technical people that can guess if something is wrong when JS is off.
  - LandR 6y ago
    I run NoScript so I default to JS off for every site and will allow only what I need to allow to get a specific site to work.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    uMatrix, just disable global 1st-party: * * * block * * css allow * * frame block * * image allow * 1st-party frame allow Bonus point — this also disables cookies.
  - gorhill 6y ago
    Yes, there is a setting in the dashboard to disable JS by default and enabled as needed.[1] Even more advanced users can set up uBO to work in default-deny mode to only allow resources from specific 3rd-party domains as needed, and on a per-site basis.[2] * * * [1] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Per-site-switches#no-scripting https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Per-site-switches#no-... [2] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium...

unicornporn 6y ago

That is to be expected outside the smol web. :) However, Firefox for Android with uBlock Origin shows the article without a trace of what you're describing.

ornornor 6y ago

I can’t believe there are people still browsing the web without an adblocker at the very minimum. Complain all you want about starving artists and as revenue, that shit is precisely why a lot of people use them. Not a dig at parent, but a general observation.

paganel 6y ago
Not the OP, but generally speaking by not having ad-blockers installed I try to to give the more honest websites that rely on advertising a semblance of a chance at financially surviving. It's also a good way to decide which websites to visit and which to not visit, if said website is too bloated I close the tab immediately (like it happened here).
- manojlds 6y ago
  Or you could read the page, see that it's worth it, ask your adblocker to unblock this site and reload the page.
  - skinnymuch 6y ago
    I have a hard time believing there’s any one or more than a literal Hand full who are so diligent as to actually do this for every site that is good enough. It’s a common talking point though as if it’s actually a practice that would could be common
    - sunsipples 6y ago
      I only visit 20-30 sites over a week that I feel obliged to unblock as I visit them weekly and they don't offer a subscription for an ad free experience. If it helps them in anyway, I'm all for it. 3 of the admins I have managed to email questions to have also declined me sending them money or buying them a beer/coffee via paypal I'd love if every small website had a tip jar, buy them a coffee every week/fortnight/month
      - 6y ago

fakedang 6y ago

Not to mention, Brave browser detected 40 trackers. Big part of the reason I canceled my BBG subscription.