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$150/year is too much for developers who earn $100k+/year? I guess you proved the original point of this thread.

ipaddr 6y ago
I think the core point missed in this thread is: developers write software for a living. They do not want to pay for something they would love someone to pay them to write. You see this in other professions. A car mechanic doesn't want to take there car to someone else. A doctor tries to avoid general checkups with other doctors. A realitor will sell their own house. A grass cutter doesn't hire someone to cut his lawn. The person who makes lawnmowers doesn't buy one he makes one even if it takes longer.
- cema 6y ago
  Then there is this saying that if a lawyer represents himself in a court, he has a fool for a customer
  - lelanthran 6y ago
    > Then there is this saying that if a lawyer represents himself in a court, he has a fool for a customer Also making the reverse assertion true too: that client has a fool for a lawyer :-) Of course, many unsuspecting non-lawyer clients also have fools for lawyers; it's hard to tell whether or not your lawyer is any good (unless his name is Saul Goodman)
- Stratoscope 6y ago
  I would love for someone to pay me to write an IDE. I've been in that situation a couple of times in the past (SQLWindows, Visual Basic) and it was a lot of fun. However, my current job is developing a voice response system for restaurant drive-thrus. I don't have time to write my own IDE right now! So I farm that out to JetBrains and get to use all of their awesome work for less than fifty cents a day. If that's too much, their free versions are very good too. I may also take exception to this: > A doctor tries to avoid general checkups with other doctors. Wouldn't the opposite be true? As far as I know, every psychiatrist has a psychiatrist, every counselor has a counselor (or should), and I would guess that every doctor has a doctor. A doctor is more likely than the rest of us to have particular insight into their own health, but I don't think they try to do it all alone. Of course I'm only speaking for myself. If anyone prefers to write all their own tools, more power to them!
  - amarant 6y ago
    Agreed. I also run Linux, because at the end of the day, I don't want to write a new OS when someone else had already done that.
- deleted 6y ago
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scaladev 6y ago
Don't forget there are a couple hundred countries besides US. I make a relatively decent living by our standards, but nowhere near close to $100k/year. $150-250 per year is quite a bit of money for us.
- arthur_sav 6y ago
  I'm surprised it's not at least $1000/year. Even if you make 30k a year, $200 for access to a variety of tools you rely on to do your job is a no brainer.
- infinite8s 6y ago
  It should be possible for a small devtools company to price differently based on locale, but I expect the support costs would then dominate any of the lower prices customers.
arthur_sav 6y ago
The username makes it even funnier.
- apple4ever 6y ago
  Only if you don't think about it. I pay more for Apple products because they bring a lot of value. I don't see the value for many developer tools at their price.
apple4ever 6y ago
That's a lot of money to me, despite how much I earn. Especially when the options are free.
- ta988 6y ago
  Sure you can walk instead of having a bike, a car or taking public transport.
  - apple4ever 6y ago
    I think that's a bad example. A car lets me do a lot of things, not just a single thing. I think development tools are overpriced. Under a $100 I can see. Over that is just too much.

I think the core point missed in this thread is: developers write software for a living. They do not want to pay for something they would love someone to pay them to write. You see this in other professions. A car mechanic doesn't want to take there car to someone else. A doctor tries to avoid general checkups with other doctors. A realitor will sell their own house. A grass cutter doesn't hire someone to cut his lawn. The person who makes lawnmowers doesn't buy one he makes one even if it takes longer.

cema 6y ago
Then there is this saying that if a lawyer represents himself in a court, he has a fool for a customer
- lelanthran 6y ago
  > Then there is this saying that if a lawyer represents himself in a court, he has a fool for a customer Also making the reverse assertion true too: that client has a fool for a lawyer :-) Of course, many unsuspecting non-lawyer clients also have fools for lawyers; it's hard to tell whether or not your lawyer is any good (unless his name is Saul Goodman)
Stratoscope 6y ago
I would love for someone to pay me to write an IDE. I've been in that situation a couple of times in the past (SQLWindows, Visual Basic) and it was a lot of fun. However, my current job is developing a voice response system for restaurant drive-thrus. I don't have time to write my own IDE right now! So I farm that out to JetBrains and get to use all of their awesome work for less than fifty cents a day. If that's too much, their free versions are very good too. I may also take exception to this: > A doctor tries to avoid general checkups with other doctors. Wouldn't the opposite be true? As far as I know, every psychiatrist has a psychiatrist, every counselor has a counselor (or should), and I would guess that every doctor has a doctor. A doctor is more likely than the rest of us to have particular insight into their own health, but I don't think they try to do it all alone. Of course I'm only speaking for myself. If anyone prefers to write all their own tools, more power to them!
- amarant 6y ago
  Agreed. I also run Linux, because at the end of the day, I don't want to write a new OS when someone else had already done that.
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scaladev 6y ago

Don't forget there are a couple hundred countries besides US. I make a relatively decent living by our standards, but nowhere near close to $100k/year. $150-250 per year is quite a bit of money for us.

arthur_sav 6y ago
I'm surprised it's not at least $1000/year. Even if you make 30k a year, $200 for access to a variety of tools you rely on to do your job is a no brainer.
infinite8s 6y ago
It should be possible for a small devtools company to price differently based on locale, but I expect the support costs would then dominate any of the lower prices customers.

arthur_sav 6y ago

The username makes it even funnier.

apple4ever 6y ago
Only if you don't think about it. I pay more for Apple products because they bring a lot of value. I don't see the value for many developer tools at their price.

apple4ever 6y ago

That's a lot of money to me, despite how much I earn. Especially when the options are free.

ta988 6y ago
Sure you can walk instead of having a bike, a car or taking public transport.
- apple4ever 6y ago
  I think that's a bad example. A car lets me do a lot of things, not just a single thing. I think development tools are overpriced. Under a $100 I can see. Over that is just too much.