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You realize that targeting individuals with that money would be 2-3 bucks per mexican. Give everyone a big mac and that'll solve everything? Also, our souther

by jbooth 15y ago

You realize that targeting individuals with that money would be 2-3 bucks per mexican. Give everyone a big mac and that'll solve everything? Also, our southern border has been nearly militarized in the last 2 years, and there has been ZERO increase in crime or impact on the US side of the border, despite a whole lot of propagandizing by racist assholes. (here's one cite, you can find more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border-violence-mexico.html http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502ar...)

protomyth 15y ago
I said target individual, not "give everyone an equal check". Business and development loans would seem to be a better use of money than giving it directly to the Mexican government. Individually, work visa are needed but insufficient. Overcoming the objections on mexican trucking is another problem. Although NPR is sometimes considered propaganda I am don't think I have heard it characterized as that type. I will cite the testimony of Tohono O’odham tribal Chairman Ned Norris Jr. http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/042009Norris.pdf http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/042009Norris.pdf - you can also google for more information on the tribe's struggle and the violence spillover. - http://buffalopost.net/?p=6232 http://buffalopost.net/?p=6232 - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-21-border21_ST_N.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-21-border21_ST_N... - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128539859 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1285398...
- jbooth 15y ago
  The article I provided had data. From the FBI. 3 links to an anecdote do not make it data.
  - protomyth 15y ago
    I question your data because it was AZ - not the reservation on the border in AZ.
    - jbooth 15y ago
      The data was "border areas of AZ". You question it because it doesn't support the narrative you've already committed to. Finding a local exception to the overall trend doesn't invalidate the trend.
      - protomyth 15y ago
        No, I question it because the reporting of data from the reservation is not generally included in AZ stats and none of the NG troops down there were placed on the reservation land. Pushing the problems into a smaller, less reported on area doesn't change the problem either.
        jbooth 15y ago
        Uh, is this reservation a significant fraction of the land area in Arizona? It's not? So it wouldn't have moved the averages at all? Thanks.
        protomyth 15y ago
        look at the nice map on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohono_O’odham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohono_O’odham showing the reservation. Notice the significant % of the border it takes up. Notice that no NG were placed in that section of the border.
        jbooth 15y ago
        Well, I suppose I learned something then. So, everywhere except this indian reservation, NG presence has been substantially beefed up and there's been no impact, but seemingly this reservation has seen increased crime.

by jbooth 15y ago

protomyth 15y ago

I said target individual, not "give everyone an equal check". Business and development loans would seem to be a better use of money than giving it directly to the Mexican government. Individually, work visa are needed but insufficient. Overcoming the objections on mexican trucking is another problem. Although NPR is sometimes considered propaganda I am don't think I have heard it characterized as that type. I will cite the testimony of Tohono O’odham tribal Chairman Ned Norris Jr. http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/042009Norris.pdf http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/042009Norris.pdf - you can also google for more information on the tribe's struggle and the violence spillover. - http://buffalopost.net/?p=6232 http://buffalopost.net/?p=6232 - http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-21-border21_ST_N.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-21-border21_ST_N... - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128539859 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1285398...

jbooth 15y ago
The article I provided had data. From the FBI. 3 links to an anecdote do not make it data.
- protomyth 15y ago
  I question your data because it was AZ - not the reservation on the border in AZ.
  - jbooth 15y ago
    The data was "border areas of AZ". You question it because it doesn't support the narrative you've already committed to. Finding a local exception to the overall trend doesn't invalidate the trend.
    - protomyth 15y ago
      No, I question it because the reporting of data from the reservation is not generally included in AZ stats and none of the NG troops down there were placed on the reservation land. Pushing the problems into a smaller, less reported on area doesn't change the problem either.
      - jbooth 15y ago
        Uh, is this reservation a significant fraction of the land area in Arizona? It's not? So it wouldn't have moved the averages at all? Thanks.
        protomyth 15y ago
        look at the nice map on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohono_O’odham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tohono_O’odham showing the reservation. Notice the significant % of the border it takes up. Notice that no NG were placed in that section of the border.
        jbooth 15y ago
        Well, I suppose I learned something then. So, everywhere except this indian reservation, NG presence has been substantially beefed up and there's been no impact, but seemingly this reservation has seen increased crime.