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For the latter two, peeing in a bottle/etc. is dictated by physical constraints. For the former two, they are dictated by late-stage capitalism. That's why Amaz

For the latter two, peeing in a bottle/etc. is dictated by physical constraints. For the former two, they are dictated by late-stage capitalism. That's why Amazon drivers are protesting and astronauts are not.

busterarm 6y ago
wut? Even before the industry was heavily regulated and hours limited, long-haul truckers chose to pee in bottles for efficiency. Faster, safer and made them more money. Also do you have any idea how long it takes to get in and out of a construction crane? And how dangerous? It's absolutely a physical constraint. Operators have to climb and it's about 15 minutes each way. They have to take breaks so they don't get sweaty. You absolutely do NOT want to do that when you're holding in piss.
- edoceo 6y ago
  How is it safer to try to wizz while driving a huge machine at speed? Are truckers peeing ad driving at the same time?
  - busterarm 6y ago
    https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal Also most roads are straight and modern trucks are incredibly stable. Plus cruise control exists. Peeing while driving is really easy, especially in an elevated chair seat like they use. I've done it a few times.
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WalterBright 6y ago
> dictated by late-stage capitalism Ironic considering bothering to use a potty is a very, very modern sensibility.
arianon 6y ago
Frankly, I believe that capitalism is the strongest it has ever been, and will continuously grow ever-stronger, with stock market indexes growing ever higher relative to wages, signaling a seemingly unstoppable wealth accumulation towards the capitalist class. Deteriorating labor conditions are not a signal of bourgeois weakness, but a show of strength, and workers need to also gather strength if they are to fight back. You might make the argument that unionization only serves to make labor safe for Capital, and that's true to a large degree, but I see no other solution on the horizon. By the way, I think you got downvoted because using a Marxist technical term such as "late capitalism" without proper elaboration only serves as flamebait. Those who are not already familiar with the theory have very likely only seen them in the context of Marxists airing their grievances on social media and/or aggressively engaging with Conservatives.

busterarm 6y ago

wut? Even before the industry was heavily regulated and hours limited, long-haul truckers chose to pee in bottles for efficiency. Faster, safer and made them more money. Also do you have any idea how long it takes to get in and out of a construction crane? And how dangerous? It's absolutely a physical constraint. Operators have to climb and it's about 15 minutes each way. They have to take breaks so they don't get sweaty. You absolutely do NOT want to do that when you're holding in piss.

edoceo 6y ago
How is it safer to try to wizz while driving a huge machine at speed? Are truckers peeing ad driving at the same time?
- busterarm 6y ago
  https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal Also most roads are straight and modern trucks are incredibly stable. Plus cruise control exists. Peeing while driving is really easy, especially in an elevated chair seat like they use. I've done it a few times.
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WalterBright 6y ago

> dictated by late-stage capitalism Ironic considering bothering to use a potty is a very, very modern sensibility.

arianon 6y ago

Frankly, I believe that capitalism is the strongest it has ever been, and will continuously grow ever-stronger, with stock market indexes growing ever higher relative to wages, signaling a seemingly unstoppable wealth accumulation towards the capitalist class. Deteriorating labor conditions are not a signal of bourgeois weakness, but a show of strength, and workers need to also gather strength if they are to fight back. You might make the argument that unionization only serves to make labor safe for Capital, and that's true to a large degree, but I see no other solution on the horizon. By the way, I think you got downvoted because using a Marxist technical term such as "late capitalism" without proper elaboration only serves as flamebait. Those who are not already familiar with the theory have very likely only seen them in the context of Marxists airing their grievances on social media and/or aggressively engaging with Conservatives.