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This made Amazon look quite childish honestly. I hope that union thing works out so there will be more checks and balances in place going forward. Those bottle

by kerng 6y ago

This made Amazon look quite childish honestly. I hope that union thing works out so there will be more checks and balances in place going forward. Those bottle peeing stories and all that surveillance is quite horrible... I also heard lower levels don't have access to the company directory anymore. So they basically got cut off from career and socializing opportunities also inside the company.

chrisseaton 6y ago
> This made Amazon look quite childish honestly. Don't you think it makes Warren look childish? She said she wants to break up big tech companies so that they aren't able to challenge her. I think that's an absolutely appalling thing for a lawmaker to say. Warren should be defending their right to challenger her, not attacking it, and she should be empowering institutions to challenge her, not attacking those that are. I can't understand how anyone is defending this craziness. It's chilling.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  If I have to choose to defend someone, it’s not Amazon and Bezos. He and chosen management had a choice on what sort of company and culture to build. Choose poorly and then be surprised when government and the public come after you? Relentlessly tactless and tone deaf.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    Institutions should have the right to challenge lawmakers without thread of retribution for doing so, even if you don't like what they have to say.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Agreed, but I also agree with Warren that Amazon should be broken up. Warren’s stance pales in comparison to the machine of suffering that is Amazon fulfillment/retail. Nuance and pragmatism.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        Does she want to break them up for for the benefit of the people she represents, or does she want to break them up because they're 'snotty' to her? She's explicitly said it's because of the latter. I hope it's because of the former, but I have to trust her own words are lies to believe that!
        busterarm 6y ago
        ...Elizabeth Warren is a serial liar.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    Warren isn't exactly mainstream government. She can't even get her "progressive" credentials consistent as she rarely misses an opportunity to be the hawk. She sure loves those foreign wars.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      They aren’t making a whole lot of new conservatives in America. Centrist Democrats are either aging out or getting pushed out. Change takes time. Gotta defend against people like Bezos in the meantime ($187B? and still throwing a childish fit about your workers trying to have better working conditions? Really?).
      - busterarm 6y ago
        None of that makes Warren above criticism. And if you think America isn't minting a lot of new conservatives, I think you've been sleeping the last 6 years. Conservatives just had the biggest voter turnout that they've had since Ronald Reagan. And despite our Gen X/Millenial social circles which are heavily left, Zoomers are much more conservative than us.
        toomuchtodo 6y ago
        You were attacking and criticizing Warren (not I, as I focused on parties driven by ideas and moors), which doesn’t concern me and has little value regardless unless you vote in her state. The greater issue is what happens when speaking truth to power garners contempt and harm instead of cooperation and humility. Enter regulation, stage right.
        busterarm 6y ago
        Would you not say that Amazon's critical tweet of Warren was speaking truth to power?
        toomuchtodo 6y ago
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  Legislators shouldn't be afraid of challengers. That said, it's reasonable to fear corporations with so many resources they capture regulators and can bankroll astroturfed challengers. I'd like both a balanced, accountable government and healthy, competitive markets please.
- elil17 6y ago
  Why should big tech companies be able to challenge democratically elected representatives? Shouldn't political participation be primarily in the hands of people, not special interests? I get that the question of whether corporations should have a role in politics is up for debate, but I think most of the people who elected Warren believe that there's no place for big money in politics.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > Why should big tech companies be able to challenge democratically elected representatives? Every person and every (legal) institution should be able to (verbally and in writing) challenge a democratically elected representative. I can't understand why that even needs stating? She's literally threatening legislative retribution for being "snotty" to her. That's appalling, surely?
    - elil17 6y ago
      If Warren said that to a person I think it would absolutely be appalling and I get that in the current US legal system corporations have a right to free speech. I just don't think that's an intrinsic moral right the way it is for people. I think it's a valid, reasonable view that Amazon should not be able to influence politics in any way.
- HomeDeLaPot 6y ago
  One way to interpret Warren's tweet is "she doesn't believe that private corporations should have the ability to stand up to politicians." Another way is "she realizes that Amazon has so much political influence that it can tweet anything it wants at elected representatives without any consequences." So which is it? Is Amazon a private American corporation on equal footing with the government, simply exercising free speech, and evil Warren wants to stifle them? Or is Amazon an evil giant corporation making a PR power play because it has so much underhanded influence in politics and public opinion that it is guaranteed to make this end badly for Warren or anyone else who opposes them, and Warren is just looking to put them in check?
busterarm 6y ago
Elizabeth Warren comes off looking worse. Probably the most tonedeaf, opportunistic do-little in American politics. I still remember in the middle of the GME story how CNBC brought her on as the "great financial industry critic" to tow the industry line. Quite hilarious. Warren and Sanders are the very definition of controlled opposition. If they're your biggest critics, you're probably doing something right.
- PartiallyTyped 6y ago
  By your argument, Amazon's aggressive stance towards Sanders and Alabama worker's unionization is an indication that they are doing something right.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    Having personally been in three different private sector unions, I would say that this is true. I am extremely critical of them, would not join one again and would change careers if my field significantly unionized. I've posted at length about this before. In the private sector, collective bargaining leads to worse outcomes both for employees and for consumers. Public sector unions (see federal employment) are an entirely different animal and generally have been very effective.
    - lumberingjack 6y ago
      absolutely this right now the drivers and deliverers are held accountable they get a union in there and get ready to never get your packages on time or if ever
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WalterBright 6y ago
> bottle Then you'll need to avoid jobs like long haul trucker, construction crane operator, Air Force flight crew, or astronaut :-/
- semi-extrinsic 6y ago
  For the latter two, peeing in a bottle/etc. is dictated by physical constraints. For the former two, they are dictated by late-stage capitalism. That's why Amazon drivers are protesting and astronauts are not.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    wut? Even before the industry was heavily regulated and hours limited, long-haul truckers chose to pee in bottles for efficiency. Faster, safer and made them more money. Also do you have any idea how long it takes to get in and out of a construction crane? And how dangerous? It's absolutely a physical constraint. Operators have to climb and it's about 15 minutes each way. They have to take breaks so they don't get sweaty. You absolutely do NOT want to do that when you're holding in piss.
    - edoceo 6y ago
      How is it safer to try to wizz while driving a huge machine at speed? Are truckers peeing ad driving at the same time?
      - busterarm 6y ago
        https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal Also most roads are straight and modern trucks are incredibly stable. Plus cruise control exists. Peeing while driving is really easy, especially in an elevated chair seat like they use. I've done it a few times.
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gremlinsinc 6y ago
Jeff Bezos apparently has never heard of the Streisand Effect, or he's so rich he just doesn't care about what public perception is... Seriously, you don't pick a social media fight with Bernie Sanders or Warren they both have very strong social media teams, esp. when you're fighting against unionization....
candybar 6y ago
This makes Amazon look terrible but you do have to wonder about a world where politicians that control the most powerful government in the world are incentivized to play petty gotcha games on Twitter with their supporters cheering on, while we expect private corporations to be the adult in the room. The main reason why this makes Amazon look bad while politicians who do this (not taking sides here, this is clearly a bipartisan thing) get a pass is that our expectations for politicians are now so low that we don't expect anything but petty grandstanding and finger-pointing, while we expect Amazon to rise above partisan criticism.

by kerng 6y ago

chrisseaton 6y ago

> This made Amazon look quite childish honestly. Don't you think it makes Warren look childish? She said she wants to break up big tech companies so that they aren't able to challenge her. I think that's an absolutely appalling thing for a lawmaker to say. Warren should be defending their right to challenger her, not attacking it, and she should be empowering institutions to challenge her, not attacking those that are. I can't understand how anyone is defending this craziness. It's chilling.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
If I have to choose to defend someone, it’s not Amazon and Bezos. He and chosen management had a choice on what sort of company and culture to build. Choose poorly and then be surprised when government and the public come after you? Relentlessly tactless and tone deaf.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  Institutions should have the right to challenge lawmakers without thread of retribution for doing so, even if you don't like what they have to say.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Agreed, but I also agree with Warren that Amazon should be broken up. Warren’s stance pales in comparison to the machine of suffering that is Amazon fulfillment/retail. Nuance and pragmatism.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      Does she want to break them up for for the benefit of the people she represents, or does she want to break them up because they're 'snotty' to her? She's explicitly said it's because of the latter. I hope it's because of the former, but I have to trust her own words are lies to believe that!
      - busterarm 6y ago
        ...Elizabeth Warren is a serial liar.
- busterarm 6y ago
  Warren isn't exactly mainstream government. She can't even get her "progressive" credentials consistent as she rarely misses an opportunity to be the hawk. She sure loves those foreign wars.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    They aren’t making a whole lot of new conservatives in America. Centrist Democrats are either aging out or getting pushed out. Change takes time. Gotta defend against people like Bezos in the meantime ($187B? and still throwing a childish fit about your workers trying to have better working conditions? Really?).
    - busterarm 6y ago
      None of that makes Warren above criticism. And if you think America isn't minting a lot of new conservatives, I think you've been sleeping the last 6 years. Conservatives just had the biggest voter turnout that they've had since Ronald Reagan. And despite our Gen X/Millenial social circles which are heavily left, Zoomers are much more conservative than us.
      - toomuchtodo 6y ago
        You were attacking and criticizing Warren (not I, as I focused on parties driven by ideas and moors), which doesn’t concern me and has little value regardless unless you vote in her state. The greater issue is what happens when speaking truth to power garners contempt and harm instead of cooperation and humility. Enter regulation, stage right.
        busterarm 6y ago
        Would you not say that Amazon's critical tweet of Warren was speaking truth to power?
        toomuchtodo 6y ago
paulryanrogers 6y ago
Legislators shouldn't be afraid of challengers. That said, it's reasonable to fear corporations with so many resources they capture regulators and can bankroll astroturfed challengers. I'd like both a balanced, accountable government and healthy, competitive markets please.
elil17 6y ago
Why should big tech companies be able to challenge democratically elected representatives? Shouldn't political participation be primarily in the hands of people, not special interests? I get that the question of whether corporations should have a role in politics is up for debate, but I think most of the people who elected Warren believe that there's no place for big money in politics.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > Why should big tech companies be able to challenge democratically elected representatives? Every person and every (legal) institution should be able to (verbally and in writing) challenge a democratically elected representative. I can't understand why that even needs stating? She's literally threatening legislative retribution for being "snotty" to her. That's appalling, surely?
  - elil17 6y ago
    If Warren said that to a person I think it would absolutely be appalling and I get that in the current US legal system corporations have a right to free speech. I just don't think that's an intrinsic moral right the way it is for people. I think it's a valid, reasonable view that Amazon should not be able to influence politics in any way.
HomeDeLaPot 6y ago
One way to interpret Warren's tweet is "she doesn't believe that private corporations should have the ability to stand up to politicians." Another way is "she realizes that Amazon has so much political influence that it can tweet anything it wants at elected representatives without any consequences." So which is it? Is Amazon a private American corporation on equal footing with the government, simply exercising free speech, and evil Warren wants to stifle them? Or is Amazon an evil giant corporation making a PR power play because it has so much underhanded influence in politics and public opinion that it is guaranteed to make this end badly for Warren or anyone else who opposes them, and Warren is just looking to put them in check?

busterarm 6y ago

Elizabeth Warren comes off looking worse. Probably the most tonedeaf, opportunistic do-little in American politics. I still remember in the middle of the GME story how CNBC brought her on as the "great financial industry critic" to tow the industry line. Quite hilarious. Warren and Sanders are the very definition of controlled opposition. If they're your biggest critics, you're probably doing something right.

PartiallyTyped 6y ago
By your argument, Amazon's aggressive stance towards Sanders and Alabama worker's unionization is an indication that they are doing something right.
- busterarm 6y ago
  Having personally been in three different private sector unions, I would say that this is true. I am extremely critical of them, would not join one again and would change careers if my field significantly unionized. I've posted at length about this before. In the private sector, collective bargaining leads to worse outcomes both for employees and for consumers. Public sector unions (see federal employment) are an entirely different animal and generally have been very effective.
  - lumberingjack 6y ago
    absolutely this right now the drivers and deliverers are held accountable they get a union in there and get ready to never get your packages on time or if ever
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WalterBright 6y ago

> bottle Then you'll need to avoid jobs like long haul trucker, construction crane operator, Air Force flight crew, or astronaut :-/

semi-extrinsic 6y ago
For the latter two, peeing in a bottle/etc. is dictated by physical constraints. For the former two, they are dictated by late-stage capitalism. That's why Amazon drivers are protesting and astronauts are not.
- busterarm 6y ago
  wut? Even before the industry was heavily regulated and hours limited, long-haul truckers chose to pee in bottles for efficiency. Faster, safer and made them more money. Also do you have any idea how long it takes to get in and out of a construction crane? And how dangerous? It's absolutely a physical constraint. Operators have to climb and it's about 15 minutes each way. They have to take breaks so they don't get sweaty. You absolutely do NOT want to do that when you're holding in piss.
  - edoceo 6y ago
    How is it safer to try to wizz while driving a huge machine at speed? Are truckers peeing ad driving at the same time?
    - busterarm 6y ago
      https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.roadreliefsystem.com/ https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal https://www.amazon.com/trucker-urinal/s?k=trucker+urinal Also most roads are straight and modern trucks are incredibly stable. Plus cruise control exists. Peeing while driving is really easy, especially in an elevated chair seat like they use. I've done it a few times.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]

gremlinsinc 6y ago

Jeff Bezos apparently has never heard of the Streisand Effect, or he's so rich he just doesn't care about what public perception is... Seriously, you don't pick a social media fight with Bernie Sanders or Warren they both have very strong social media teams, esp. when you're fighting against unionization....

candybar 6y ago

This makes Amazon look terrible but you do have to wonder about a world where politicians that control the most powerful government in the world are incentivized to play petty gotcha games on Twitter with their supporters cheering on, while we expect private corporations to be the adult in the room. The main reason why this makes Amazon look bad while politicians who do this (not taking sides here, this is clearly a bipartisan thing) get a pass is that our expectations for politicians are now so low that we don't expect anything but petty grandstanding and finger-pointing, while we expect Amazon to rise above partisan criticism.