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I have time and time again debunked fake news sent to me by friends whom usually I would call intelligent, and kindly asked to next time do a minimum of fact ch

I have time and time again debunked fake news sent to me by friends whom usually I would call intelligent, and kindly asked to next time do a minimum of fact checking. It's useless. It's depressing but people don't care about truth. Not acknowledging this will give you a lot of frustration.

sweezyjeezy 6y ago
From OP's post > If enough people actually did this A classic HN comment misstep. Most people aren't like the typical reader here (for better, for worse). It's not wise to act like they are.
- paxys 6y ago
  Then what's the point of even posting the article? Most people aren't going to take any advice, but you yourself still can.
- mistermann 6y ago
  To be fair, even HN is not so perfect - we are brilliant when abstractly discussing outrage, fake news, etc - but visit any thread where the article is an object level example of a story that contains these characteristics, and compare the quality of discourse you find there to that which you find in threads like this.
TeeMassive 6y ago
I just stick to local news outlet now of the localities that matter the most to me. They really are the last bastion of real journalism.
- fullshark 6y ago
  Local news is just as subject to the same nonsense just at a smaller scale, how many local news stories are "this local business did something outrageous" or "local gov't regulations are hurting this business" for example?
  - TeeMassive 6y ago
    I disagree. It's far harder in towns where the degree of separation is 3. Everyone knows someone close to the matter. Never heard of a local news outlet making up quotes or began an article with "according to a source near the official in question". And it might not be true for big cities, but hearing that regulation is hurting a well known company of your town will usually trigger swift changes from officials. This happens a lot where I come from.
    - fullshark 6y ago
      For me, I find a shockingly large number of local news stories can be reduced down to the formula "this person in the community is mad about something and they talked to the newspaper about it to try and get attention on the issue."

sweezyjeezy 6y ago

From OP's post > If enough people actually did this A classic HN comment misstep. Most people aren't like the typical reader here (for better, for worse). It's not wise to act like they are.

paxys 6y ago
Then what's the point of even posting the article? Most people aren't going to take any advice, but you yourself still can.
mistermann 6y ago
To be fair, even HN is not so perfect - we are brilliant when abstractly discussing outrage, fake news, etc - but visit any thread where the article is an object level example of a story that contains these characteristics, and compare the quality of discourse you find there to that which you find in threads like this.

TeeMassive 6y ago

I just stick to local news outlet now of the localities that matter the most to me. They really are the last bastion of real journalism.

fullshark 6y ago
Local news is just as subject to the same nonsense just at a smaller scale, how many local news stories are "this local business did something outrageous" or "local gov't regulations are hurting this business" for example?
- TeeMassive 6y ago
  I disagree. It's far harder in towns where the degree of separation is 3. Everyone knows someone close to the matter. Never heard of a local news outlet making up quotes or began an article with "according to a source near the official in question". And it might not be true for big cities, but hearing that regulation is hurting a well known company of your town will usually trigger swift changes from officials. This happens a lot where I come from.
  - fullshark 6y ago
    For me, I find a shockingly large number of local news stories can be reduced down to the formula "this person in the community is mad about something and they talked to the newspaper about it to try and get attention on the issue."