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Fox didn’t create a biased media, which existed long before Fox News did, they responded to it. Most surveys going back decades and decades show that 80 or 90%

Fox didn’t create a biased media, which existed long before Fox News did, they responded to it. Most surveys going back decades and decades show that 80 or 90%+ of journalists are registered Democrats. That doesn’t make them bad journalists, but they are a monoculture that doesn’t represent the diversity of political views in America. It’s notable how it really bothers people that there is one right-leaning news network out of a dozen or so left-leaning networks. Apparently it’s not enough to control 90% of the media narrative - it has to be 100%.

cycomanic 6y ago
From a European perspective there's one bonkers network that is nothing but a billionaire's propaganda outlet and many conservative to rightwing networks. Actually, how crazy the situation is, is shown how "conservatives" abandoned Fox News because they did not reflect their reality distortion and moved to even more extreme outlets (I mean who can call newsmax or OAN even news). If someone moved from Fox News to OAN, they were never interested in news, they were after someone feeding their prejudice no matter how unreal they are.
- KirbyTetro 6y ago
  Which European country would that perspective be from? The UK, France, Russia, Austria, Hungary?
  - cycomanic 6y ago
    Germany/Sweden but talking to friends people from France and Spain as well as the other Scandinavian countries think the same.
BeFlatXIII 6y ago
It would be healthier if there were competing right-leaning networks. A lot of the problems with Fox stem from the fact that they have close to 100% of the conservative audience. The various left-leaning networks have other left-leaning networks to keep each other in check. There is no similar pushback for Fox.
- 0xy 6y ago
  MSNBC and CNN do not keep each other in check, it's a race to the bottom of pure garbage "journalism", which is most often either exaggerated clickbait or totally fabricated yellow journalism. They also all participate in laundering of fake news. One of them throws up a totally false story and all of the others repeat it. As a recent high-profile example, Washington Post falsely claimed that Trump told a Georgia election official to "find the votes", which a later leaked recording proved to be absolutely fabricated (they retracted it). CNN, MSNBC, BBC and other ethically bankrupt organisations printed the lie verbatim.
  - cozuya 6y ago
    What in the world? The former guy said, on a real, not fake recording "I just want to find 11,780 votes". This has not been retracted. Where are you reading this?
    - koolba 6y ago
      They misquoted him and attributed malice to quotes that did not exist. Two months later they posted a correction that they were wrong: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washington-post-correction-trump-call-georgia-investigator/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washingto...
    - 0xy 6y ago
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-call-georgia-investigator/2021/01/09/7a55c7fa-51cf-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-call-georgia-i... "CORRECTION: [...] Trump did not tell the investigator to “find the fraud” or say she would be “a national hero” if she did so." That's a pretty whopping correction that changes the entire story. If he's asking her to investigate the votes to find wrongdoing, then there's absolutely no wrongdoing.
    - refurb 6y ago
      Perfect example! The media took the GA official at his word, ran with the story, 2 months later the recording come up and most of it was made up. If that doesn’t tell you what the media is about I don’t what is. They literally ran with a story about the president they couldn’t corroborate and it turned out to be lies.
newacct583 6y ago
Network news in the 80's wasn't ever "biased" in the way that Fox was from the start. That's just nonsense, sorry. What makes Fox "Fox" is not merely the fact that their reporters "don't represent the diversity of political views in America" (they don't, of course) but the fact that they deliberately spin coverage in one direction or another. Identical situations (c.f. the current "crisis" at the border which echos the same stuff that was happening two years ago but somehow wasn't a problem with White House policy then!) are presented differently depending on the partisan identity of the actors, and that's something mainstream media has never done. (And I think you're going to need to cite that "80-90%" number, which seems made up. Nothing is that uniform, even CPAC has a bunch of registered libertarians and independents walking around.)

cycomanic 6y ago

From a European perspective there's one bonkers network that is nothing but a billionaire's propaganda outlet and many conservative to rightwing networks. Actually, how crazy the situation is, is shown how "conservatives" abandoned Fox News because they did not reflect their reality distortion and moved to even more extreme outlets (I mean who can call newsmax or OAN even news). If someone moved from Fox News to OAN, they were never interested in news, they were after someone feeding their prejudice no matter how unreal they are.

KirbyTetro 6y ago
Which European country would that perspective be from? The UK, France, Russia, Austria, Hungary?
- cycomanic 6y ago
  Germany/Sweden but talking to friends people from France and Spain as well as the other Scandinavian countries think the same.

BeFlatXIII 6y ago

It would be healthier if there were competing right-leaning networks. A lot of the problems with Fox stem from the fact that they have close to 100% of the conservative audience. The various left-leaning networks have other left-leaning networks to keep each other in check. There is no similar pushback for Fox.

0xy 6y ago
MSNBC and CNN do not keep each other in check, it's a race to the bottom of pure garbage "journalism", which is most often either exaggerated clickbait or totally fabricated yellow journalism. They also all participate in laundering of fake news. One of them throws up a totally false story and all of the others repeat it. As a recent high-profile example, Washington Post falsely claimed that Trump told a Georgia election official to "find the votes", which a later leaked recording proved to be absolutely fabricated (they retracted it). CNN, MSNBC, BBC and other ethically bankrupt organisations printed the lie verbatim.
- cozuya 6y ago
  What in the world? The former guy said, on a real, not fake recording "I just want to find 11,780 votes". This has not been retracted. Where are you reading this?
  - koolba 6y ago
    They misquoted him and attributed malice to quotes that did not exist. Two months later they posted a correction that they were wrong: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washington-post-correction-trump-call-georgia-investigator/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/16/washingto...
  - 0xy 6y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-call-georgia-investigator/2021/01/09/7a55c7fa-51cf-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-call-georgia-i... "CORRECTION: [...] Trump did not tell the investigator to “find the fraud” or say she would be “a national hero” if she did so." That's a pretty whopping correction that changes the entire story. If he's asking her to investigate the votes to find wrongdoing, then there's absolutely no wrongdoing.
  - refurb 6y ago
    Perfect example! The media took the GA official at his word, ran with the story, 2 months later the recording come up and most of it was made up. If that doesn’t tell you what the media is about I don’t what is. They literally ran with a story about the president they couldn’t corroborate and it turned out to be lies.

newacct583 6y ago

Network news in the 80's wasn't ever "biased" in the way that Fox was from the start. That's just nonsense, sorry. What makes Fox "Fox" is not merely the fact that their reporters "don't represent the diversity of political views in America" (they don't, of course) but the fact that they deliberately spin coverage in one direction or another. Identical situations (c.f. the current "crisis" at the border which echos the same stuff that was happening two years ago but somehow wasn't a problem with White House policy then!) are presented differently depending on the partisan identity of the actors, and that's something mainstream media has never done. (And I think you're going to need to cite that "80-90%" number, which seems made up. Nothing is that uniform, even CPAC has a bunch of registered libertarians and independents walking around.)