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Connections to Epstein is not good enough reason. There has to shady connections. Epstein was hustler who lived from making connections. Short list of scientis

by nabla9 6y ago

Connections to Epstein is not good enough reason. There has to shady connections. Epstein was hustler who lived from making connections. Short list of scientists who visited his Pedophile Island: Stephen Hawkins, David Gross, Gerard ‘t Hooft, Lawrence Krauss, Lisa Randall, Martin Nowak, Frank Wilczek.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
It was well known what Epstein was up to, the people you list were often exposed to Epstein's true behavior: https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science-eugenics-sexual-abuse-researchers.html https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science...
- nabla9 6y ago
  Epstein was up to young women, but few thought he was pimping underage girls as your source mentions. There is nothing wrong with having two young girls with you all times. Leonard Cohen did that to his 70s. Some may find it disgusting, but disgust is not good reason for judging others.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    > There is nothing wrong with having two young girls with you all times. In a professional context? You bet there is. When Joi Ito brought Epstein to the MIT Media Lab, he had two young girls with him. When he left, lab members looked through the trash to look for SOS notes the girls may have dropped. Bill Gates is quoted to have told employees that he stated up late at Epstein's house with a beautiful Swedish woman and her young daughter (the Dubins, the daughter was engaged to Epstein when she was underage).
morelisp 6y ago
At least one scientist on your list is a notorious harasser. As the kids say today, rather than letting his associates update your priors on Epstein, instead let the well-documented multi-decade abuses by Epstein inform your priors about everyone he worked with. Nearly everyone associated with him and his foundation should be non grata in all parts of the academic community.
- nabla9 6y ago
  > Nearly everyone associated with him and his foundation should be non grata in all parts of the academic community. This is horrible and completely inappropriate statement.
  - morelisp 6y ago
    Brockman literally invited people to Edge with promises of Epstein's entourage of girls! It's total bullshit to pretend there's some kind of uncertainty, none of those assholes can claim ignorance.
    - nabla9 6y ago
      Stephen Hawkins?
      - morelisp 6y ago
        To lead with: No, the one I had in mind was Krauss. His name headed the list of sex pests as early as 2011 within the new atheist / skeptic / CFI / JREF community and the details only escalated since then. But: A really common conversation derail when discussing this topic is to claim the fallout from the Epstein case is somehow discriminating against people with ASD or related conditions. I think it's similary offensive to claim someone with ALS could not have been a sexual abuser. Most humans are sexual animals, and Hawking somewhat notoriously so.
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        There are pictures of Stephen Hawking on Epstein's submarine with two girls. He almost certainly knew what was going on.
knuthsat 6y ago
Marvin Minsky was quite a surprise.

by nabla9 6y ago

solosoyokaze 6y ago

It was well known what Epstein was up to, the people you list were often exposed to Epstein's true behavior: https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science-eugenics-sexual-abuse-researchers.html https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science...

nabla9 6y ago
Epstein was up to young women, but few thought he was pimping underage girls as your source mentions. There is nothing wrong with having two young girls with you all times. Leonard Cohen did that to his 70s. Some may find it disgusting, but disgust is not good reason for judging others.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  > There is nothing wrong with having two young girls with you all times. In a professional context? You bet there is. When Joi Ito brought Epstein to the MIT Media Lab, he had two young girls with him. When he left, lab members looked through the trash to look for SOS notes the girls may have dropped. Bill Gates is quoted to have told employees that he stated up late at Epstein's house with a beautiful Swedish woman and her young daughter (the Dubins, the daughter was engaged to Epstein when she was underage).

morelisp 6y ago

At least one scientist on your list is a notorious harasser. As the kids say today, rather than letting his associates update your priors on Epstein, instead let the well-documented multi-decade abuses by Epstein inform your priors about everyone he worked with. Nearly everyone associated with him and his foundation should be non grata in all parts of the academic community.

nabla9 6y ago
> Nearly everyone associated with him and his foundation should be non grata in all parts of the academic community. This is horrible and completely inappropriate statement.
- morelisp 6y ago
  Brockman literally invited people to Edge with promises of Epstein's entourage of girls! It's total bullshit to pretend there's some kind of uncertainty, none of those assholes can claim ignorance.
  - nabla9 6y ago
    Stephen Hawkins?
    - morelisp 6y ago
      To lead with: No, the one I had in mind was Krauss. His name headed the list of sex pests as early as 2011 within the new atheist / skeptic / CFI / JREF community and the details only escalated since then. But: A really common conversation derail when discussing this topic is to claim the fallout from the Epstein case is somehow discriminating against people with ASD or related conditions. I think it's similary offensive to claim someone with ALS could not have been a sexual abuser. Most humans are sexual animals, and Hawking somewhat notoriously so.
      - solosoyokaze 6y ago
        There are pictures of Stephen Hawking on Epstein's submarine with two girls. He almost certainly knew what was going on.

knuthsat 6y ago

Marvin Minsky was quite a surprise.