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Yes, it was after Epstein was originally arrested for having sex with a minor. Epstein's actions were no secret. Those that worked and associated with him knew

Yes, it was after Epstein was originally arrested for having sex with a minor. Epstein's actions were no secret. Those that worked and associated with him knew what he was up to. This is a good article that lays out how this was common knoweledge: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-john-brockman-edge-foundation https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-ep...

yorwba 6y ago
> This is a good article that lays out how this was common knoweledge: The article names three different people who claim to have had no idea. Maybe they're lying, but I hadn't heard about Epstein before either, so I'm inclined to believe them. I don't think you can claim that it was "common knowledge". (Did you know?)
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  There are many articles that detail the kind of things Epstein would tell these people and how he'd behave around them: * https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science-eugenics-sexual-abuse-researchers.html https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science... * https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-my-very-very-sick-pal/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-ep... * https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-intellectual-enabler https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-inte... He always had girls around him. I don't believe that one could associate with Epstein and be ignorant of who he was.
- pessimizer 6y ago
  If you know someone personally, you generally know more about them than people who don't. The fact that you don't know my mother has a bankruptcy in her past doesn't speak at all to whether I'm likely or expected to know that my mother has had a bankruptcy in her past. The fact that so many people knew about Epstein in 2008, it being a hugely reported on arrest and indictment, makes it even more damning. The idea that I knew and they didn't is absurd.
  - duxup 6y ago
    I'll throw out an idea I mentioned in another comment. I feel like if you're a guy like Epstein and you do that stuff at scale. I suspect you actually are really good at judging people as far as "is this person going to be cool / interested in this" and identifying the folks whom it would be risky to let on about some of that dark stuff. In fact it seems like he would be likely REALLY good at all that and related such manipulation. Other cases like at Michigan State you had a lot of people who knew about the guy there, but also near to him folks who it would seem really didn't know / didn't have anything to hide.
    - solosoyokaze 6y ago
      What makes you think the super powerful, rich and "smart" people associated with Epstein, weren't also a good judge of character or aware of who they were dealing with? As is documented throughout this thread, many of them met with Epstein after his high profile arrest for having sex with a minor.
      - duxup 6y ago
        I think there signifigant a difference as far as what you know goes from being a good judge of someone and deciding to share something with them VS. figuring out they have some massive abusive sex ring going on.
        solosoyokaze 6y ago
        Not only did a lot of these people interact with Epstein after he was convicted of having sex with a child, they actively worked to get him off the hook: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/17/steven-pinkers-aid-jeffrey-epsteins-legal-defense-renews-criticism-increasingly https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/17/steven-pinker...
        duxup 6y ago
        I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.

yorwba 6y ago

> This is a good article that lays out how this was common knoweledge: The article names three different people who claim to have had no idea. Maybe they're lying, but I hadn't heard about Epstein before either, so I'm inclined to believe them. I don't think you can claim that it was "common knowledge". (Did you know?)

solosoyokaze 6y ago
There are many articles that detail the kind of things Epstein would tell these people and how he'd behave around them: * https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science-eugenics-sexual-abuse-researchers.html https://slate.com/technology/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-science... * https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-my-very-very-sick-pal/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-ep... * https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-intellectual-enabler https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-inte... He always had girls around him. I don't believe that one could associate with Epstein and be ignorant of who he was.
pessimizer 6y ago
If you know someone personally, you generally know more about them than people who don't. The fact that you don't know my mother has a bankruptcy in her past doesn't speak at all to whether I'm likely or expected to know that my mother has had a bankruptcy in her past. The fact that so many people knew about Epstein in 2008, it being a hugely reported on arrest and indictment, makes it even more damning. The idea that I knew and they didn't is absurd.
- duxup 6y ago
  I'll throw out an idea I mentioned in another comment. I feel like if you're a guy like Epstein and you do that stuff at scale. I suspect you actually are really good at judging people as far as "is this person going to be cool / interested in this" and identifying the folks whom it would be risky to let on about some of that dark stuff. In fact it seems like he would be likely REALLY good at all that and related such manipulation. Other cases like at Michigan State you had a lot of people who knew about the guy there, but also near to him folks who it would seem really didn't know / didn't have anything to hide.
  - solosoyokaze 6y ago
    What makes you think the super powerful, rich and "smart" people associated with Epstein, weren't also a good judge of character or aware of who they were dealing with? As is documented throughout this thread, many of them met with Epstein after his high profile arrest for having sex with a minor.
    - duxup 6y ago
      I think there signifigant a difference as far as what you know goes from being a good judge of someone and deciding to share something with them VS. figuring out they have some massive abusive sex ring going on.
      - solosoyokaze 6y ago
        Not only did a lot of these people interact with Epstein after he was convicted of having sex with a child, they actively worked to get him off the hook: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/17/steven-pinkers-aid-jeffrey-epsteins-legal-defense-renews-criticism-increasingly https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/17/steven-pinker...
        duxup 6y ago
        I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.