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You’re not alone. Many of us feel the same way. This system will always hate us, we have to start supporting each other. Give it time. We’re going to make it fr

You’re not alone. Many of us feel the same way. This system will always hate us, we have to start supporting each other. Give it time. We’re going to make it friend.

smt88 6y ago
> we have to start supporting each other Do you currently feel that white men are not supportive of one another? Or were you referring to a subcategory of white men? > Give it time What do you expect time to change?
- CyberRabbi 6y ago
  White men especially in America tend to pathologically see the world through an individualistic lens and ignore their identity. Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us.
  - smt88 6y ago
    What system(s) hate you? Aren't most governments and corporations still majority white and majority male? > Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us. And then what will you do?
    - CyberRabbi 6y ago
      > What system(s) hate you? Media, academia, corporate hiring, government policy. Places where “be less white” is official policy. [1] > And then what will you do? Form advocacy organizations, lobby groups, PACs, legal defense funds. Same thing every other organized group does. [1] https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132 https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132
      - smt88 6y ago
        All the systems you mentioned have more far more white men than the US as a whole, so are you arguing that white men hate themselves? US: 60% white[1]; 49% male[1]; ~31% white & male[2] Media: 75% white[3]; 50% white & male Academia: 40% white & male[4] College Professors: 53% white & male[5] House: 73% white[5] Senate: 89% white[5] All elected offices in the US in 2014: 65% white & male[2] President: 100% white & male I'm too lazy to keep going, but I feel like I've made my point. Neither white people nor white men are underrepresented in any position of power or wealth. So how can it be that these systems (that people in their demographic control) are against them? 1. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65-percent-of-all-american-elected-officials-are-white-men/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65... 3. https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-diversity-7-studies/ https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-div... 4. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 5. https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/demographics-and-composition-117thcongress.pdf https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/g...
        CyberRabbi 6y ago
        First you made a logical leap. Simply because these institutions may be nominally majority white does not preclude the ability for them to biased against whites. I never claimed these institutions were minority white, only that they were biased against whites, so you also attacked a straw man. You also did not address the widespread corporate training material adopted from Robin D’Angelo. If the system were biased towards whites, why would it train its employees to shun their white identity? Would you consider a system whose corporations asked their employees to “be less black” biased against black people? What percentage of Biden’s cabinet do you consider white?
  - kbelder 6y ago
    >pathologically see the world through an individualistic lens and ignore their identity. Pathologically? That's the healthy and correct way to see the world. Seeing through a lens filtered by 'identity' (you obviously mean race and gender) is flawed. Victims of racism and gender bias... which include both whites and blacks, men and women... need to avoid becoming sexist and racist in response. It'll drag us all down.
dennis_jeeves 6y ago
> we have to start supporting each other. Give it time. We’re going to make it friend. This won't happen. In my opinion they are too 'principled' to support each other. Supporting each other has the connotations of a union or a mob. 'White' men, who in my opinion is statistically among the most capable category are collectively their own enemies, by bending backward to accommodate the 'minority' even when individuals from these 'minorities' are incompetent.

You’re not alone. Many of us feel the same way. This system will always hate us, we have to start supporting each other. Give it time. We’re going to make it friend.

smt88 6y ago

> we have to start supporting each other Do you currently feel that white men are not supportive of one another? Or were you referring to a subcategory of white men? > Give it time What do you expect time to change?

CyberRabbi 6y ago
White men especially in America tend to pathologically see the world through an individualistic lens and ignore their identity. Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us.
- smt88 6y ago
  What system(s) hate you? Aren't most governments and corporations still majority white and majority male? > Things will change as more and more of us start to become conscious of the identity for which the system hates us. And then what will you do?
  - CyberRabbi 6y ago
    > What system(s) hate you? Media, academia, corporate hiring, government policy. Places where “be less white” is official policy. [1] > And then what will you do? Form advocacy organizations, lobby groups, PACs, legal defense funds. Same thing every other organized group does. [1] https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132 https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/366132
    - smt88 6y ago
      All the systems you mentioned have more far more white men than the US as a whole, so are you arguing that white men hate themselves? US: 60% white[1]; 49% male[1]; ~31% white & male[2] Media: 75% white[3]; 50% white & male Academia: 40% white & male[4] College Professors: 53% white & male[5] House: 73% white[5] Senate: 89% white[5] All elected offices in the US in 2014: 65% white & male[2] President: 100% white & male I'm too lazy to keep going, but I feel like I've made my point. Neither white people nor white men are underrepresented in any position of power or wealth. So how can it be that these systems (that people in their demographic control) are against them? 1. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120219 2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65-percent-of-all-american-elected-officials-are-white-men/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65... 3. https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-diversity-7-studies/ https://journalistsresource.org/race-and-gender/newsroom-div... 4. https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61 5. https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/government_affairs_office/demographics-and-composition-117thcongress.pdf https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/g...
      - CyberRabbi 6y ago
        First you made a logical leap. Simply because these institutions may be nominally majority white does not preclude the ability for them to biased against whites. I never claimed these institutions were minority white, only that they were biased against whites, so you also attacked a straw man. You also did not address the widespread corporate training material adopted from Robin D’Angelo. If the system were biased towards whites, why would it train its employees to shun their white identity? Would you consider a system whose corporations asked their employees to “be less black” biased against black people? What percentage of Biden’s cabinet do you consider white?
- kbelder 6y ago
  >pathologically see the world through an individualistic lens and ignore their identity. Pathologically? That's the healthy and correct way to see the world. Seeing through a lens filtered by 'identity' (you obviously mean race and gender) is flawed. Victims of racism and gender bias... which include both whites and blacks, men and women... need to avoid becoming sexist and racist in response. It'll drag us all down.

dennis_jeeves 6y ago

> we have to start supporting each other. Give it time. We’re going to make it friend. This won't happen. In my opinion they are too 'principled' to support each other. Supporting each other has the connotations of a union or a mob. 'White' men, who in my opinion is statistically among the most capable category are collectively their own enemies, by bending backward to accommodate the 'minority' even when individuals from these 'minorities' are incompetent.