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My suggestion, especially to those who strongly advocate such surveillance, is that those who support or implement it should be under an even greater measure of

by eth0up 6y ago

My suggestion, especially to those who strongly advocate such surveillance, is that those who support or implement it should be under an even greater measure of surveillance. A live feed of their activities 24/7 is necessary due to their participation and effecting in a tentative, unprecedented surveillance state where the watched would be extremely foolish not to keep an unblinking eye on the watchers, who bear the brunt of responsibility. It should not stop there either; any form of personal information not legally protected should be made readily and easily available. That which is protected, should be lobbied to be public.

Santosh83 6y ago
This is all fine, but those who ultimately own wealth and power will pull all the strings. At crucial moments the cameras watching the watchers will malfunction.
- alacombe 6y ago
  Those with wealth and power will never be on cctv camera, only their minions will be.
erikerikson 6y ago
Some of us would agree. There are currently legal barriers to doing this. For example, recording audio without consent is criminal in Washington state and the basis is well argued. There are many serious issues to such a monitoring system and shifts that would be necessary in society but some potentially amazing benefits. Imagine the end of "he said, she said". The reduction of incentives for running scams. The reduction in security related spending.
- eth0up 6y ago
  >Imagine the end of.... A mere beginning to the end of flagrant double standards and the plebeian concession to live under them would be a dandy start. Since we're unwaveringly barreling toward the panopticon anyway, why not do so properly and see along the way who the true believers are, those willing to make genuine examples of themselves. The world should know Jeff's shower thoughts - they'll probably be foisted on it soon enough and skull bracketed AI cameras with thought-monitoring ultrasound would do well to keep everyone informed in a timely fashion. Until we wangle that, we have smartlocks, which could integrate well into a sort of prebreakfast polygraph which scans our general intent before unleashing us into the outside world where we might stretch the truth, make mischief or think in an unutilitarianly beneficial way. A morning multiple choice questionnaire could substitute during outages or glitches. We'd carry the completed form as we do driver licences. Real ID, Real Intent, auditable by any citizen on demand.
  - erikerikson 6y ago
    An end to double standards and a more honest and actuate world in general sounds quite nice. Perhaps some guidance about where I fail to perceive or empathize. An analysis of where I have a lot of opportunity to learn. A personalized tutorial on overcoming my particular failings in negotiating, relating, or investing would be helpful. There are definitely ways we could apply these things to make ourselves miserable. That is unquestionable. A social presence based on who I and those I know are rather than who we spend our time and attention to present ourselves as many do on social media today? It reminds me of the wealth thing... I'd rather be rich than look rich. Many keep themselves from being wealthy chasing the latter. I'd rather be someone who people, particularly myself, like than appear to be someone people like. I'd rather be known than be seen.
    - eth0up 6y ago
      Sincerity, authenticity and healthy humility are virtues. I wonder if our feeble to non-existent outrage for this new age of ubiquitous control is a quiet self-awareness of our own dishonesty, pettiness and teetering integrity. Maybe we know we are shit and want some form of automated atonement, eg surrendering ourselves as digital assets and prostrating before strange nannies. I'm not sure of wealth or admiration, but one can be certain that s/he'll be both seen and "known" in this epoch, mostly by the unknown and unseen.
steelframe 6y ago
> those who support or implement it should be under an even greater measure of surveillance One of the most memorable scenes for me from the series Chernobyl was when the nuclear scientist being tailed by agents complained about it to the first deputy chairman of the KGB. The chairman then pointed to two people who were trailing him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8oDEwvec1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8oDEwvec1c I'm not sure that going full-circle with surveillance is the right answer.

by eth0up 6y ago

Santosh83 6y ago

This is all fine, but those who ultimately own wealth and power will pull all the strings. At crucial moments the cameras watching the watchers will malfunction.

alacombe 6y ago
Those with wealth and power will never be on cctv camera, only their minions will be.

erikerikson 6y ago

Some of us would agree. There are currently legal barriers to doing this. For example, recording audio without consent is criminal in Washington state and the basis is well argued. There are many serious issues to such a monitoring system and shifts that would be necessary in society but some potentially amazing benefits. Imagine the end of "he said, she said". The reduction of incentives for running scams. The reduction in security related spending.

eth0up 6y ago
>Imagine the end of.... A mere beginning to the end of flagrant double standards and the plebeian concession to live under them would be a dandy start. Since we're unwaveringly barreling toward the panopticon anyway, why not do so properly and see along the way who the true believers are, those willing to make genuine examples of themselves. The world should know Jeff's shower thoughts - they'll probably be foisted on it soon enough and skull bracketed AI cameras with thought-monitoring ultrasound would do well to keep everyone informed in a timely fashion. Until we wangle that, we have smartlocks, which could integrate well into a sort of prebreakfast polygraph which scans our general intent before unleashing us into the outside world where we might stretch the truth, make mischief or think in an unutilitarianly beneficial way. A morning multiple choice questionnaire could substitute during outages or glitches. We'd carry the completed form as we do driver licences. Real ID, Real Intent, auditable by any citizen on demand.
- erikerikson 6y ago
  An end to double standards and a more honest and actuate world in general sounds quite nice. Perhaps some guidance about where I fail to perceive or empathize. An analysis of where I have a lot of opportunity to learn. A personalized tutorial on overcoming my particular failings in negotiating, relating, or investing would be helpful. There are definitely ways we could apply these things to make ourselves miserable. That is unquestionable. A social presence based on who I and those I know are rather than who we spend our time and attention to present ourselves as many do on social media today? It reminds me of the wealth thing... I'd rather be rich than look rich. Many keep themselves from being wealthy chasing the latter. I'd rather be someone who people, particularly myself, like than appear to be someone people like. I'd rather be known than be seen.
  - eth0up 6y ago
    Sincerity, authenticity and healthy humility are virtues. I wonder if our feeble to non-existent outrage for this new age of ubiquitous control is a quiet self-awareness of our own dishonesty, pettiness and teetering integrity. Maybe we know we are shit and want some form of automated atonement, eg surrendering ourselves as digital assets and prostrating before strange nannies. I'm not sure of wealth or admiration, but one can be certain that s/he'll be both seen and "known" in this epoch, mostly by the unknown and unseen.

steelframe 6y ago

> those who support or implement it should be under an even greater measure of surveillance One of the most memorable scenes for me from the series Chernobyl was when the nuclear scientist being tailed by agents complained about it to the first deputy chairman of the KGB. The chairman then pointed to two people who were trailing him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8oDEwvec1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8oDEwvec1c I'm not sure that going full-circle with surveillance is the right answer.