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As long as there aren't as much women studying all kinds of engineering, you're going to see disparaties in the workforce. Lets stop trying to force equal distr
by adflux 6y ago
As long as there aren't as much women studying all kinds of engineering, you're going to see disparaties in the workforce. Lets stop trying to force equal distribution but rather equal opportunity.
Funny thing to see is that as a country becomes MORE developed, women tend to be LESS inclined to attend STEM studies.
- mc32 6y agoThis is the main problem. It’s hard. We could fix it if we were despotic and put people into tracks like the USSR who turned out lots of talented women in STEM, but were not and Film, TV and YT, etc highlight the easy life of glamour and fame, etc. So you end up with a million wanna be starlets and fewer women in STEM than statistics would have. Let “Hollywood” glamorize STEM, propagandize it and you’ll get a better pool of talent. Instead the proposition is to scrape the bottom of the barrel harder.
- sol_invictus 6y agoWhy exactly is it a problem if people are CHOOSING to do something on their own accord? Other than the political gestapo having to swallow their pride, I don't see freedom of career choice as a negative.
- mc32 6y agoBecause it’s somewhat artificial given Hollywood’s propaganda that glamorizes triviality, laziness and starlet glamour, etc.
- inglor_cz 6y agoSome people want to sell their solution, so obviously they are looking for a problem. There is a lot of opportunity in the diversity industry, even though things like diversity training do not seem to have any effect, not even shielding companies from lawsuits. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-we-work/201203/diversity-training-doesnt-work https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-we-work/201203/d...
- d0mine 6y ago> if we were despotic and put people into tracks like the USSR who turned out lots of talented women in STEM It sound like BS. Have you learned it in school?
- dijit 6y agoTheir does seem to be an inverse correlation between what we consider free and rich societies and despotic poor societies and their equality in STEM fields. You need not look far, even very conservative countries such as Belarus have stronger representation in IT than a much more liberal society such as Sweden.
- thinkingemote 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox One reason why in less free countries, women and girls choose STEM in a higher proportion is that choosing STEM fields was a better economical decision compared to other jobs, rather than being forced into it for ideological reasons by their states.
- d0mine 6y agoThere is no doubt many Soviet women chose to become engineers. I doubt that the choice was involuntary.
- logicchains 6y agoSource for the above: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more-gender-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more...
- adflux 6y agoThanks for this :)
- ajsnigrutin 6y ago> Funny thing to see is that as a country becomes MORE developed, women tend to be LESS inclined to attend STEM studies. Stem jobs are relatively shitty jobs... paid well, but work schedule can be relatively screwed up. If you add enterpreneurship to that, it makes the work-life balance even worse. Women on average prefer better work-life balance, and men prefer careers where they can get higher and earn more. In some countries (less developed), the only way to lead a realatively OK life is to get a stem degree and work something related to that. In more developed countries, the job market (and social support) makes it possible to live OK even with a "worse" degree (ie. the ones where you can't get a job with in less developed countries).
- saberdancer 6y agoExactly this, but this points toward the conclusion that equality is going to be hard to achieve as men and women have different goals and ambitions. When you remove the "survival" aspect of going to highly paid STEM job you get women who choose less technical jobs and huge disparity in number of women in tech. Personally I don't think that is an issue at all but I feel I am in the minority, at least when we look at the decision making level.
- bloqs 6y agoOther than repeating JP, can you actually cite this?
- bloqs 6y agoIgnore other comment, found link to source
- smt88 6y agoThis article is not about engineering or even the workforce. It's about venture funding.