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> For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capit

> For the record, the US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane conditions (including labor camps and forced sterilization, just like China) at a per-capita rate 17x higher than China does. LOL!!!! We imprison people of ANY ethnicity who commit crimes. Some prisons have ways where the people there can earn wages through work, though most don't. You can maybe stretch the definition of what "labor camp" means to include that, but I wouldn't. And we DEFINITELY do not do forced sterilization rofl. If you're going to go around spreading fake propaganda, invent some better stuff next time.

xtian 6y ago
> And we DEFINITELY do not do forced sterilization rofl. No? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Board_of_North_Carolina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Board_of_North_Caro... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
- mlindner 6y ago
  I used current tense. Not past tense. There was all sorts of weird stuff that happened around the time of Nazism in Germany, including strong proponents of Nazism in the US at that time. Lest we not forget the internment of Americans of Japanese descent civilians during WW2. Again, these are unfortunate things that happened in the past. None of that justifies any other country doing anything in modern day. It's like saying "Oh Germany had Nazis during WW2 so having Nazis today is okay."
  - xtian 6y ago
    There have been accusations that ICE has performed forced sterilizations, but for now it remains at the level of conspiracy theory. It's easy to talk about how "unfortunate" US atrocities were and insist they're "in the past" after the cover-up campaigns have successfully concluded. But why would these institutions change when they succeeded at their aims and no one was ever held accountable? Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are not in the distant past.
sneak 6y ago
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news: https://talkpoverty.org/2017/08/23/u-s-still-forcibly-sterilizing-prisoners/ https://talkpoverty.org/2017/08/23/u-s-still-forcibly-steril... https://www.vice.com/en/article/93578d/staggering-number-of-hysterectomies-happening-at-ice-facility-whistleblower-say https://www.vice.com/en/article/93578d/staggering-number-of-... https://www.thedailybeast.com/not-just-ice-a-california-prison-sterilized-her-and-other-black-women https://www.thedailybeast.com/not-just-ice-a-california-pris... Those wages you are thinking of? Frequently they are well under one dollar per hour, sometimes as low as two cents per hour, and pay of any kind is not legally required: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-labor-in-america/406177/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-... > We imprison people of ANY ethnicity who commit crimes. Police and prosecutorial discretion means that this isn't true, statistically. As I mentioned, the US imprisons ethnic minorities at a rate of 17x higher than China per capita, despite the farcical claim that all citizens have equal protection under the law. If they did, the number of people of different ethnicities imprisoned would roughly match the distribution of ethnicities in US society. They do not.
- HKH2 6y ago
  "If they did, the number of people of different ethnicities imprisoned would roughly match the distribution of ethnicities in US society. They do not." So all ethnicities are the same, especially in terms of aggression and compliance, and it's law enforcement that makes all the difference?
  - sneak 6y ago
    Taken in aggregate, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

xtian 6y ago

> And we DEFINITELY do not do forced sterilization rofl. No? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Board_of_North_Carolina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Board_of_North_Caro... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

mlindner 6y ago
I used current tense. Not past tense. There was all sorts of weird stuff that happened around the time of Nazism in Germany, including strong proponents of Nazism in the US at that time. Lest we not forget the internment of Americans of Japanese descent civilians during WW2. Again, these are unfortunate things that happened in the past. None of that justifies any other country doing anything in modern day. It's like saying "Oh Germany had Nazis during WW2 so having Nazis today is okay."
- xtian 6y ago
  There have been accusations that ICE has performed forced sterilizations, but for now it remains at the level of conspiracy theory. It's easy to talk about how "unfortunate" US atrocities were and insist they're "in the past" after the cover-up campaigns have successfully concluded. But why would these institutions change when they succeeded at their aims and no one was ever held accountable? Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are not in the distant past.

sneak 6y ago

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news: https://talkpoverty.org/2017/08/23/u-s-still-forcibly-sterilizing-prisoners/ https://talkpoverty.org/2017/08/23/u-s-still-forcibly-steril... https://www.vice.com/en/article/93578d/staggering-number-of-hysterectomies-happening-at-ice-facility-whistleblower-say https://www.vice.com/en/article/93578d/staggering-number-of-... https://www.thedailybeast.com/not-just-ice-a-california-prison-sterilized-her-and-other-black-women https://www.thedailybeast.com/not-just-ice-a-california-pris... Those wages you are thinking of? Frequently they are well under one dollar per hour, sometimes as low as two cents per hour, and pay of any kind is not legally required: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-labor-in-america/406177/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-... > We imprison people of ANY ethnicity who commit crimes. Police and prosecutorial discretion means that this isn't true, statistically. As I mentioned, the US imprisons ethnic minorities at a rate of 17x higher than China per capita, despite the farcical claim that all citizens have equal protection under the law. If they did, the number of people of different ethnicities imprisoned would roughly match the distribution of ethnicities in US society. They do not.

HKH2 6y ago
"If they did, the number of people of different ethnicities imprisoned would roughly match the distribution of ethnicities in US society. They do not." So all ethnicities are the same, especially in terms of aggression and compliance, and it's law enforcement that makes all the difference?
- sneak 6y ago
  Taken in aggregate, yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers