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>I see Myanmar fighting for independence from outside influences (read Soros puppets) as noble. Can you elaborate the above statement? Which side are the "Soro

>I see Myanmar fighting for independence from outside influences (read Soros puppets) as noble. Can you elaborate the above statement? Which side are the "Soros' puppets" in this conflict?

Freak_NL 6y ago
If George Goros did only one percent of what he is accused of by conspiracy theorists he would already be one of the most effective world leaders ever. I get the mental need for conspiracy theories to have satisfying but ultimately unprovable and nebulous actors that enact the acts theorised about; lizard people? Sure great. A worldwide paedosexual cabal? Why not. But George Soros? Is it the combination of being rich, Jewish, progressive, somewhat influential, and also foreign enough to pin on any theory one likes? I guess the name-dropping by nationalist autocratic leaders doesn't help either.
- tasogare 6y ago
  Funding (activist) organizations is a very effective way to get influence with money. This is exactly what the Gates fundation is doing for example. So it’s stupid to compare the funding that can be somewhat tracked and proved made by an individual or organization (some people did it, hence that name became famous) to crackpot theories like lizard people.
throwa1114 6y ago
This is fairly respected regional news source (note their coverage of protesters killed): https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-bank-accounts-soros-open-society-foundation.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-b... Aung San Suu Kyi is photographed with Soros. Open Society bank accounts seem legitimate. I'm not on either side here. I'm frustrated by the top level for throwing out a wild accusation. I'm also frustrated by the other replies, who leap on without due diligence.
- madaxe_again 6y ago
  It’s a poor use of time to give every conspiracy theory “due diligence”, as you put it. For instance: what if it’s aliens? What if it’s the mice-people? What if it’s mind control by giant squid? What if it’s a conspiracy being lead by the silica gel industry? Do you want to do your due diligence on those, or would you discard them out of hand as patently ridiculous?
  - ithkuil 6y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
  - throwa1114 6y ago
    Are you questioning the facts of Irrawaddy's reporting? The lesson was supposed to show you should have not assumed "aliens", when it is actually "reality". I want people to adjust their nuance, but that seems difficult.
  - hntroll666 6y ago
    Begging the question. The whole issue is, what actually is just a conspiracy theory?
- rebuilder 6y ago
  So a foundation with the stated goal of financially supporting "civil society groups around the world, with a stated aim of advancing justice, education, public health and independent media." (wikipedia) has funded one of the highest-profile pro-democracy activists of our time? Is that the "conspiracy" here?
- Freak_NL 6y ago
  Surely there is a rather large gap between an NGO supporting programs that promote democracy and being an actual sock-puppet of George Soros? The literally anti-democratic Myanmarese military regime shutting down any initiatives that promote forms of democracy makes perfect sense from their point of view. Being able to point to Soros and such is convenient for a junta, because it makes it look as if democracy (or whatever 'western' value they don't like) is an import imposed on them rather than the grass-roots development it is.

>I see Myanmar fighting for independence from outside influences (read Soros puppets) as noble. Can you elaborate the above statement? Which side are the "Soros' puppets" in this conflict?

Freak_NL 6y ago

If George Goros did only one percent of what he is accused of by conspiracy theorists he would already be one of the most effective world leaders ever. I get the mental need for conspiracy theories to have satisfying but ultimately unprovable and nebulous actors that enact the acts theorised about; lizard people? Sure great. A worldwide paedosexual cabal? Why not. But George Soros? Is it the combination of being rich, Jewish, progressive, somewhat influential, and also foreign enough to pin on any theory one likes? I guess the name-dropping by nationalist autocratic leaders doesn't help either.

tasogare 6y ago
Funding (activist) organizations is a very effective way to get influence with money. This is exactly what the Gates fundation is doing for example. So it’s stupid to compare the funding that can be somewhat tracked and proved made by an individual or organization (some people did it, hence that name became famous) to crackpot theories like lizard people.

throwa1114 6y ago

This is fairly respected regional news source (note their coverage of protesters killed): https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-bank-accounts-soros-open-society-foundation.html https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/myanmar-regime-seizes-b... Aung San Suu Kyi is photographed with Soros. Open Society bank accounts seem legitimate. I'm not on either side here. I'm frustrated by the top level for throwing out a wild accusation. I'm also frustrated by the other replies, who leap on without due diligence.

madaxe_again 6y ago
It’s a poor use of time to give every conspiracy theory “due diligence”, as you put it. For instance: what if it’s aliens? What if it’s the mice-people? What if it’s mind control by giant squid? What if it’s a conspiracy being lead by the silica gel industry? Do you want to do your due diligence on those, or would you discard them out of hand as patently ridiculous?
- ithkuil 6y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
- throwa1114 6y ago
  Are you questioning the facts of Irrawaddy's reporting? The lesson was supposed to show you should have not assumed "aliens", when it is actually "reality". I want people to adjust their nuance, but that seems difficult.
- hntroll666 6y ago
  Begging the question. The whole issue is, what actually is just a conspiracy theory?
rebuilder 6y ago
So a foundation with the stated goal of financially supporting "civil society groups around the world, with a stated aim of advancing justice, education, public health and independent media." (wikipedia) has funded one of the highest-profile pro-democracy activists of our time? Is that the "conspiracy" here?
Freak_NL 6y ago
Surely there is a rather large gap between an NGO supporting programs that promote democracy and being an actual sock-puppet of George Soros? The literally anti-democratic Myanmarese military regime shutting down any initiatives that promote forms of democracy makes perfect sense from their point of view. Being able to point to Soros and such is convenient for a junta, because it makes it look as if democracy (or whatever 'western' value they don't like) is an import imposed on them rather than the grass-roots development it is.