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Taiwan has never considered the US more important than China because it considers itself China. I don't really get what you are saying here though. I don't buy

Taiwan has never considered the US more important than China because it considers itself China. I don't really get what you are saying here though. I don't buy that US control over Taiwan is slipping, but even claiming that suggests your original point about Vietnam is wrong.

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> Taiwan has never considered the US more important than China because it claims it is China. This is just equivocating. I can use "Taiwan" and "China" to refer to different states regardless of whether Taiwan sometimes uses analogous terms to refer to the same thing. Not only do I know what I mean, I know that you know what I mean. And yes, Taiwan is moving in the direction of closer ties to China.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >Not only do I know what I mean, I know that you know what I mean. Yes, which is why I also addressed your post without making use of that. >And yes, Taiwan is moving in the direction of closer ties to China. The US is currently increasing it's military budget to "prevent Chinese invasion of Taiwan" so I don't really agree with that. Even disagreeing there means they cared more about the US than China for the past sixty years.
  - thaumasiotes 6y ago
    > Even disagreeing there means they cared more about the US than China for the past sixty years. Yeah, I don't dispute that. I would say they care more now, too. But they're shifting. And Taiwan is the absolute best case for a regional power looking somewhere other than China.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      I don't understand how you can say both that and >Vietnam can have its own opinion on anything. But it will never, under any circumstances, consider America's opinion to be more important than China's.
      - thaumasiotes 6y ago
        OK, fair enough. If Vietnam and China were in a hot war, and Vietnam sought and received American help, Vietnam would likely give more weight to America than to China. I don't think this is likely enough to bother considering, but it's technically possible. Cessation of active hostilities would see attitudes swinging back the other way, even against a background of passive hostilities, as we see in Taiwan.

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> Taiwan has never considered the US more important than China because it claims it is China. This is just equivocating. I can use "Taiwan" and "China" to refer to different states regardless of whether Taiwan sometimes uses analogous terms to refer to the same thing. Not only do I know what I mean, I know that you know what I mean. And yes, Taiwan is moving in the direction of closer ties to China.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
>Not only do I know what I mean, I know that you know what I mean. Yes, which is why I also addressed your post without making use of that. >And yes, Taiwan is moving in the direction of closer ties to China. The US is currently increasing it's military budget to "prevent Chinese invasion of Taiwan" so I don't really agree with that. Even disagreeing there means they cared more about the US than China for the past sixty years.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > Even disagreeing there means they cared more about the US than China for the past sixty years. Yeah, I don't dispute that. I would say they care more now, too. But they're shifting. And Taiwan is the absolute best case for a regional power looking somewhere other than China.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    I don't understand how you can say both that and >Vietnam can have its own opinion on anything. But it will never, under any circumstances, consider America's opinion to be more important than China's.
    - thaumasiotes 6y ago
      OK, fair enough. If Vietnam and China were in a hot war, and Vietnam sought and received American help, Vietnam would likely give more weight to America than to China. I don't think this is likely enough to bother considering, but it's technically possible. Cessation of active hostilities would see attitudes swinging back the other way, even against a background of passive hostilities, as we see in Taiwan.