4 ms·

I'm not surprised. As far as I can tell, the only thing the San Francisco government wants is for poor people to leave so they can stop reducing property values

I'm not surprised. As far as I can tell, the only thing the San Francisco government wants is for poor people to leave so they can stop reducing property values. This is the same city council that deliberately plans to have half the housing units they actually need, after all. The entire city is one big real estate scam being foisted on tech companies, and people living in it just get in the way.

Skhalar 6y ago
Texas is next. Companies are moving out of SF for Texas.
- BobbyJo 6y ago
  You assume the companies are the source of the shenanigans, which I disagree with. It seems counter productive for a tech company to want their worker's cost of living to be higher, as that just means they will cost more. The reality is the companies create a large inelastic demand for living space, and the local government and property owners of exploit that for profit. If you just create adequate supply (build residential), or constrain demand (don't build office space), the problem doesn't happen.
  - SR2Z 6y ago
    I'm not so sure that it's counterproductive, because the senior leadership of those tech companies is also frequently part of the local NIMBY class.
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
      They have the same general characteristics as the local NIMBY class, but I think I'd want to see more evidence that they are actually members of that class. It's a substantial accusation to make without evidence, especially since you purport to link that to tech companies being NIMBY by policy -- again, a claim I've not seen evidence for.
    - BobbyJo 6y ago
      Only one half of the equation (new residential) is affected by NIMBY-ism. No new residential is fine, just don't build more office space then. That requires local governments not to endlessly expand spending though, so obviously impossible.
  - TaylorAlexander 6y ago
    Free internet for the poor also improves political organizing which could be a net negative for the ultra wealthy.
    - Something1234 6y ago
      It also improves the ability to gaslight those minorities via targeted advertising. Not that newstainment doesn't do the same.
    - BobbyJo 6y ago
      Literally anything that changes anything 'could be a negative for the ultra wealthy'.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  I really hope the employees who follow don’t vote like they did in CA. I’ve seen first hand the effect that had on politics in WA. I hope TX avoids the same fate.
  - ccpcx 6y ago
    During election season I saw billboards here about like: Are you new from a state of blue? Remember in November why you came to Texas
    - drak0n1c 6y ago
      A WSJ reader letter welcomed a fleeing VC but stated, "I would only ask Mr. Lonsdale and his fellow economic migrants to carefully consider that they are arriving as refugees, not as missionaries." https://www.wsj.com/articles/blue-peril-threatens-texas-refugees-not-missionaries-11605737069 https://www.wsj.com/articles/blue-peril-threatens-texas-refu...
  - toiletfuneral 6y ago
    You mean like vote for an electrical grid that works?
  - nemothekid 6y ago
    Well they don't. If you look at polling from the last election, what is turning Texas blue is hispanics turning 18, what's keeping it red are people moving into Texas.
worker767424 6y ago
There's a distinction between the poor and the homeless. As much as they don't understand cost of living for the working class, they bend over backwards for the homeless, and needles and shit in streets doesn't exactly raise property values.
EvilEy3 6y ago
> for poor people to leave Are you talking about poor or homeless? I've seen the footage and if it's the same in real life(drugs, hordes of homeless) then residents would be glad too.
MikeUt 6y ago
> This is the same city council that deliberately plans to have half the housing units they actually need Should cities be compelled to keep growing as long as there is demand? Are they not allowed to say "this much is enough - there are plenty other places to go"?
- DubiousPusher 6y ago
  I've never found "first come first served" to be a satisfying answer to municipal determinations.

Skhalar 6y ago

Texas is next. Companies are moving out of SF for Texas.

BobbyJo 6y ago
You assume the companies are the source of the shenanigans, which I disagree with. It seems counter productive for a tech company to want their worker's cost of living to be higher, as that just means they will cost more. The reality is the companies create a large inelastic demand for living space, and the local government and property owners of exploit that for profit. If you just create adequate supply (build residential), or constrain demand (don't build office space), the problem doesn't happen.
- SR2Z 6y ago
  I'm not so sure that it's counterproductive, because the senior leadership of those tech companies is also frequently part of the local NIMBY class.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
    They have the same general characteristics as the local NIMBY class, but I think I'd want to see more evidence that they are actually members of that class. It's a substantial accusation to make without evidence, especially since you purport to link that to tech companies being NIMBY by policy -- again, a claim I've not seen evidence for.
  - BobbyJo 6y ago
    Only one half of the equation (new residential) is affected by NIMBY-ism. No new residential is fine, just don't build more office space then. That requires local governments not to endlessly expand spending though, so obviously impossible.
- TaylorAlexander 6y ago
  Free internet for the poor also improves political organizing which could be a net negative for the ultra wealthy.
  - Something1234 6y ago
    It also improves the ability to gaslight those minorities via targeted advertising. Not that newstainment doesn't do the same.
  - BobbyJo 6y ago
    Literally anything that changes anything 'could be a negative for the ultra wealthy'.
throwawaysea 6y ago
I really hope the employees who follow don’t vote like they did in CA. I’ve seen first hand the effect that had on politics in WA. I hope TX avoids the same fate.
- ccpcx 6y ago
  During election season I saw billboards here about like: Are you new from a state of blue? Remember in November why you came to Texas
  - drak0n1c 6y ago
    A WSJ reader letter welcomed a fleeing VC but stated, "I would only ask Mr. Lonsdale and his fellow economic migrants to carefully consider that they are arriving as refugees, not as missionaries." https://www.wsj.com/articles/blue-peril-threatens-texas-refugees-not-missionaries-11605737069 https://www.wsj.com/articles/blue-peril-threatens-texas-refu...
- toiletfuneral 6y ago
  You mean like vote for an electrical grid that works?
- nemothekid 6y ago
  Well they don't. If you look at polling from the last election, what is turning Texas blue is hispanics turning 18, what's keeping it red are people moving into Texas.

worker767424 6y ago

There's a distinction between the poor and the homeless. As much as they don't understand cost of living for the working class, they bend over backwards for the homeless, and needles and shit in streets doesn't exactly raise property values.

EvilEy3 6y ago

> for poor people to leave Are you talking about poor or homeless? I've seen the footage and if it's the same in real life(drugs, hordes of homeless) then residents would be glad too.

MikeUt 6y ago

> This is the same city council that deliberately plans to have half the housing units they actually need Should cities be compelled to keep growing as long as there is demand? Are they not allowed to say "this much is enough - there are plenty other places to go"?

DubiousPusher 6y ago
I've never found "first come first served" to be a satisfying answer to municipal determinations.