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That your post has been downvoted is disheartening. Your reply was factually correct, cited, and reasonably polite. Perhaps instead of saying "at best" they ar

That your post has been downvoted is disheartening. Your reply was factually correct, cited, and reasonably polite. Perhaps instead of saying "at best" they are con artists, it would have been more polite to say at worst, they are con artists. Probably many earnestly believe in what they are doing, and are just wrong.

seppin 6y ago
One thing to add: > And inadmissible in court in many places: I'm not aware of any place that accepts polygraphs in a court.
- clouddrover 6y ago
  Then I'll quote the article: "In the United States of America, (where polygraph testing is a growth industry) the admissibility of lie detector test results is determined by courts and legislators on a State by State basis. In the Federal legal system, test results are inadmissible as substantive evidence. Whilst some States have allowed test results in criminal trials, States such as such as California have prohibited the admission of such evidence unless all parties consent to its admission."
  - seppin 6y ago
    Has anyone been convicted on a pollygraph alone? If so, that's a scandal.
judge2020 6y ago
> It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
- anon_tor_12345 6y ago
  To be precise: a lot of people (even on hn, especially on hn) are personally and practically invested in authoritarian practices being legitimate.
  - hellbannedguy 6y ago
    I’m kinda surprised. I felt this group was much more rebellious a few years ago. A lot of people might say it’s growing up, but I still don’t like it. I look back on the people I admired, and they questioned authority.
  - swayvil 6y ago
    To vehemently support the policy of the hour as moral and correct, and then to be later shown to be wrong. At best a fool and at worst a criminal. Is more than many can tolerate. They would rather maintain the lie in the face of all evidence.
clouddrover 6y ago
It really doesn't matter how earnest they are when polygraphs have been known to be garbage pseudoscience for decades, and especially when people's lives can be derailed by the fraudulent "results" obtained from a polygraph or even just the fiction that it can get results: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-doug-williams-war-on-lie-detector/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-doug-williams-war-on... Calling them con artists is about as polite as I can be.

seppin 6y ago

One thing to add: > And inadmissible in court in many places: I'm not aware of any place that accepts polygraphs in a court.

clouddrover 6y ago
Then I'll quote the article: "In the United States of America, (where polygraph testing is a growth industry) the admissibility of lie detector test results is determined by courts and legislators on a State by State basis. In the Federal legal system, test results are inadmissible as substantive evidence. Whilst some States have allowed test results in criminal trials, States such as such as California have prohibited the admission of such evidence unless all parties consent to its admission."
- seppin 6y ago
  Has anyone been convicted on a pollygraph alone? If so, that's a scandal.

judge2020 6y ago

> It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

anon_tor_12345 6y ago
To be precise: a lot of people (even on hn, especially on hn) are personally and practically invested in authoritarian practices being legitimate.
- hellbannedguy 6y ago
  I’m kinda surprised. I felt this group was much more rebellious a few years ago. A lot of people might say it’s growing up, but I still don’t like it. I look back on the people I admired, and they questioned authority.
- swayvil 6y ago
  To vehemently support the policy of the hour as moral and correct, and then to be later shown to be wrong. At best a fool and at worst a criminal. Is more than many can tolerate. They would rather maintain the lie in the face of all evidence.

clouddrover 6y ago

It really doesn't matter how earnest they are when polygraphs have been known to be garbage pseudoscience for decades, and especially when people's lives can be derailed by the fraudulent "results" obtained from a polygraph or even just the fiction that it can get results: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-doug-williams-war-on-lie-detector/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-doug-williams-war-on... Calling them con artists is about as polite as I can be.