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IIRC their 95% failure includes failing to spot explosives and the like in their scanners

colejohnson66 6y ago
Here’s a nice article about their internal tests that failed 95% of the time: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-homeland-security_n_7485558 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-ho... > In one test an undercover agent was stopped after setting off an alarm at a magnetometer, but TSA screeners failed to detect a fake explosive device that was taped to his back during a follow-on pat down. That doesn’t inspire much confidence.
- WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
  > That doesn’t inspire much confidence. It does example how superfluous the TSA is. The 9/11 commission's recommendations never included anything like the TSA - just better comm between the 3-letters and reinforced cockpit doors.
LocalPCGuy 6y ago
I went through a screening with a "robot" - in quotes because it was literally a breadboard with a bunch of wires sticking out of it, a battery and a squarish box. Didn't even have to open the bag to show the agents what it was, went right through the scanner with no comment. And I was nervous as hell cause I was sure I was going to have to explain it, maybe even show that it worked. But nope, not a peep.
- mod 6y ago
  Pretty sure they weren't going to let you uhhh..."demo" it.
- wl 6y ago
  I've taken a lot of messy electronic prototypes through security when traveling for work. The TSA has never cared. My camera bag, on the other hand, seems to get some baggage screeners very excited. Something about the glass being opaque to x-rays? But most screeners don't care.
- Applejinx 6y ago
  How white are you, out of curiosity? What's your demographic look like, and how closely did it match the screeners? Seems like if you were nervous that would be additional weighting in the direction of you being questioned, so the additional weighting doesn't seem to have motivated anything.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    Before we jump to “how white are you?”, it may make sense to ask “was there anything that could possibly have been the explosive?” Random wires, breadboards, etc aren’t going to explode without a source of fuel.
    - LocalPCGuy 6y ago
      It was tucked into a backpack along with quite a few other things (including 2 soldering irons, actually). I don't remember exactly what else was in the bag as to whether there was anything that could have looked like fuel in the scanner though, so fair point potentially. However, while it wasn't the point of my anecdote, I'm also fairly confident being white was one of the factors that played into zero questions being asked.
  - LocalPCGuy 6y ago
    I am white male, and it was in a Southern US airport that was also very white. While that wasn't the point of the anecdote, I'm also fairly confident it played a large part in there being zero follow-up questions.
- rhizome 6y ago
  It would be pointless for the scanners to ping on copper, ABS, or batteries because every single flyer would have to open their bags and buttholes. It's the C4 and other pyro that they want to know about.
asdff 6y ago
I’ve seen TSA open a bag because they see something on the scanner, see the bag is too much of a mess, and close the back up seconds later and hand it back off to the passenger without investigating at all.

Here’s a nice article about their internal tests that failed 95% of the time: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-homeland-security_n_7485558 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tsa-fails-95-percent-tests-ho... > In one test an undercover agent was stopped after setting off an alarm at a magnetometer, but TSA screeners failed to detect a fake explosive device that was taped to his back during a follow-on pat down. That doesn’t inspire much confidence.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
> That doesn’t inspire much confidence. It does example how superfluous the TSA is. The 9/11 commission's recommendations never included anything like the TSA - just better comm between the 3-letters and reinforced cockpit doors.

LocalPCGuy 6y ago

I went through a screening with a "robot" - in quotes because it was literally a breadboard with a bunch of wires sticking out of it, a battery and a squarish box. Didn't even have to open the bag to show the agents what it was, went right through the scanner with no comment. And I was nervous as hell cause I was sure I was going to have to explain it, maybe even show that it worked. But nope, not a peep.

mod 6y ago
Pretty sure they weren't going to let you uhhh..."demo" it.
wl 6y ago
I've taken a lot of messy electronic prototypes through security when traveling for work. The TSA has never cared. My camera bag, on the other hand, seems to get some baggage screeners very excited. Something about the glass being opaque to x-rays? But most screeners don't care.
Applejinx 6y ago
How white are you, out of curiosity? What's your demographic look like, and how closely did it match the screeners? Seems like if you were nervous that would be additional weighting in the direction of you being questioned, so the additional weighting doesn't seem to have motivated anything.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Before we jump to “how white are you?”, it may make sense to ask “was there anything that could possibly have been the explosive?” Random wires, breadboards, etc aren’t going to explode without a source of fuel.
  - LocalPCGuy 6y ago
    It was tucked into a backpack along with quite a few other things (including 2 soldering irons, actually). I don't remember exactly what else was in the bag as to whether there was anything that could have looked like fuel in the scanner though, so fair point potentially. However, while it wasn't the point of my anecdote, I'm also fairly confident being white was one of the factors that played into zero questions being asked.
- LocalPCGuy 6y ago
  I am white male, and it was in a Southern US airport that was also very white. While that wasn't the point of the anecdote, I'm also fairly confident it played a large part in there being zero follow-up questions.
rhizome 6y ago
It would be pointless for the scanners to ping on copper, ABS, or batteries because every single flyer would have to open their bags and buttholes. It's the C4 and other pyro that they want to know about.

asdff 6y ago

I’ve seen TSA open a bag because they see something on the scanner, see the bag is too much of a mess, and close the back up seconds later and hand it back off to the passenger without investigating at all.