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or the deadwood that gets protected because they belong to an union. Or unions being against remote work because that'd reduce employee control. Or union leader
by baud147258 6y ago
or the deadwood that gets protected because they belong to an union. Or unions being against remote work because that'd reduce employee control. Or union leadership just using their membership to laze around. Or union opposing projects they don't like. Or union harassing (including physically) managers. And to say nothing of railway union who apparently have a Mission to gridlock the country every few years (usually around the time someone in the government check the deficits of the railways)
- mempko 6y agoGreat way to talk about your fellow colleagues as dead wood. I would love working with you.
- tchanglington 6y agoWorking together isn’t fun when we’re all out of a job because the factory moved to another country
- mempko 6y agoDon't blame your co-workers. Blame those that made the decision to move the factory (board of directors)
- twirlock 6y agoWhat a stupid, flailing response.
- ralusek 6y agoI assume they're not just talking about all of their colleagues, but specifically the ones that don't pull their own weight. If you don't pull your own weight, then I would love working with you.
- door100 6y agoEven if all of these were true (I would describe most of them as a mischaracterization at best), do you honestly think that outweighs everything that I described? The worst thing that people can say about unions is they are bureaucratic and inconvenient. The worst things people can say about, say, working conditions in many non-unionized American workplaces are far, far worse. People dying, unfairly losing their job (and healthcare, and home), working incredibly long hours, unable to see their kid, unable to get adequate sleep, etc etc etc. I happen to think there are values other than "workers producing profit for their employers as efficiently as possible at the expense of anything else"
- iliketosleep 6y ago> The worst thing that people can say about unions is they are bureaucratic and inconvenient. I disagree. Unions can lead to the death of entire industries - I have seen it with my own eyes. Inefficiencies created by unions lead to jobs going to places where such unions do not exist. Personally, I do believe the workers need to be protected, but if you protect workers then you also need to protect industries, and this opens a gigantic can of worms as it runs counter to globalization and free trade.
- postpawl 6y ago“death of entire industries” What industry? Maybe we need to open a gigantic can of worms that “runs counter to globalization” if we’re talking about sending those jobs to countries with unethical working conditions.
- iliketosleep 6y ago> What industry? There are many examples in the manufacturing industry, though unions aren't the only factor. > Maybe we need to open a gigantic can of worms that “runs counter to globalization” if we’re talking about sending those jobs to countries with unethical working conditions. I couldn't agree more, the problem is there are powerful interests that will keep trying to sweep this issue under the rug.
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- hemogloben 6y ago> There are many examples in the manufacturing industry, though unions aren't the only factor. Ok. So what industry / example specifically?
- totony 6y agoTaxis in a lot of places are akin to a union and are slowly dying with semi-legal alternatives like uber