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I think one of the issues is that you must prove that you have an income and can support yourself. A certain amount of amount of British people were working "c

I think one of the issues is that you must prove that you have an income and can support yourself. A certain amount of amount of British people were working "cash in hand" and not paying any tax, so they won't be able or willing to register now. This is referenced by an interviewee on the article. Why you would live in the EU, vote for Brexit and then cry when leaving the EU to return 'home' is beyond me though.

usbzcable 6y ago
> Why you would live in the EU, vote for Brexit and then cry when leaving the EU to return 'home' is beyond me though. They may have expected a right-to-residency that had different terms. This article doesn't go into such details, however, so it'll be difficult to tell.
- klipt 6y ago
  Or Spain has a history of leniency towards undocumented immigrants and they thought they'd get the same treatment. If course the problem with breaking the law is it opens you up to selective enforcement if Spain decides it wants to thumb its nose at the Brits in particular.
- kergonath 6y ago
  They thought it would only happen to others, as usual... They were so deep in disinformation that they called “project fear” any attempt to explain them what the situation would actually be. Because of course, who in their right mind would avocate for leaving the EFTA? Surely, brits spend money locally, so why wouldn’t the local governments bend the rules whilst the British government gets all jingoistic about continental queue jumpers? It’s all fun and games until the borders get closed. In the end, real people from both sides of the referendum pay the price.
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hjek 6y ago
> Why you would live in the EU, vote for Brexit and then cry when leaving the EU to return 'home' is beyond me though. I was going to hastily comment that surely the Brits living abroad were not the ones voting for Brexit but then right there in the article: > ”Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.” This is exactly like that meme on Twitter: > 'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.[0] Nope, I can't beleive it's come to this either. [0]: https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736 https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736
- headmelted 6y ago
  Which begs the question what did this person think they were voting for if not that? I get that sometimes people aren't sure what the fine details of something might be on a complex issue, but it's right there in the slogan: "out of the EU"
  - andremedeiros 6y ago
    I like that you assume they were thinking.
  - JoBrad 6y ago
    It’s always the “others”. Someone I know recently lamented that their daughter (who has a physical disability) would no longer qualify for certain subsidies for a prosthesis because they don’t have a job. However the daughter’s husband does have a full time job, and the daughter home schools her daughter. They still qualify for some SNAP benefits (food stamps). The idea that The State wouldn’t make an allowance for this situation was galling to them. I agreed. But within 5 minutes they were back to complaining about welfare queens who don’t have jobs.
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    They are people driven by the same bullshit nativist propaganda. I live in a very democratic city. My neighbor down the block is a ~45 year old retired first responder due to a disabling knee injury. He’s mostly at home watching cable news during the week and transformed into a die-hard “conservative”, with the flags, stickers, etc. Great guy, but deluded by propaganda. We usually talk fishing and baseball, as our sons play together. I avoid political talk at all times as the irony of a young, disabled former unionized government employee with free healthcare is both anti-gov and anti-union is too much for me.
akudha 6y ago
Because they think they will not be affected, only others would be? Not saying this is correct, just that they probably think this
sampo 6y ago
> A certain amount of amount of British people were working "cash in hand" and not paying any tax This was a grey area already when UK was still an EU member. EU was based on "free movement of workers, services and capital", but the residency rights of non-economically active citizens of other EU countries are ...complicated. You have the right to reside the first 6 months in another country as a jobseeker. In practice, nobody would know when you have entered the country, so you could always claim that you are within your 6 months and you are a jobseeker, so in practice deporting EU citizens was close to impossible, so countries didn't even try. But those Brits probably weren't staying in Spain strictly legally, even when they were EU citizens.
- Archelaos 6y ago
  A EU citizen may also stay longer than 6 month in another member state, if she has sufficient resources and comprehensive health insurance cover. There is also a right of permanent residence after five years of legal residence.[1] [1] https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigners/freedom-of-movement/freedom-of-movement-node.html https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigner...
duxup 6y ago
I think the sad reality is a lot of folks vote based on a sort of instinct / sentiment. They hear truisms / sentiment that they like and someone convinces them X is that sentiment too. So they vote for X with little to no knowledge of what X is or means or how it plays out in any kind of reality.

usbzcable 6y ago

> Why you would live in the EU, vote for Brexit and then cry when leaving the EU to return 'home' is beyond me though. They may have expected a right-to-residency that had different terms. This article doesn't go into such details, however, so it'll be difficult to tell.

klipt 6y ago
Or Spain has a history of leniency towards undocumented immigrants and they thought they'd get the same treatment. If course the problem with breaking the law is it opens you up to selective enforcement if Spain decides it wants to thumb its nose at the Brits in particular.
kergonath 6y ago
They thought it would only happen to others, as usual... They were so deep in disinformation that they called “project fear” any attempt to explain them what the situation would actually be. Because of course, who in their right mind would avocate for leaving the EFTA? Surely, brits spend money locally, so why wouldn’t the local governments bend the rules whilst the British government gets all jingoistic about continental queue jumpers? It’s all fun and games until the borders get closed. In the end, real people from both sides of the referendum pay the price.

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hjek 6y ago

> Why you would live in the EU, vote for Brexit and then cry when leaving the EU to return 'home' is beyond me though. I was going to hastily comment that surely the Brits living abroad were not the ones voting for Brexit but then right there in the article: > ”Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.” This is exactly like that meme on Twitter: > 'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.[0] Nope, I can't beleive it's come to this either. [0]: https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736 https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736

headmelted 6y ago
Which begs the question what did this person think they were voting for if not that? I get that sometimes people aren't sure what the fine details of something might be on a complex issue, but it's right there in the slogan: "out of the EU"
- andremedeiros 6y ago
  I like that you assume they were thinking.
- JoBrad 6y ago
  It’s always the “others”. Someone I know recently lamented that their daughter (who has a physical disability) would no longer qualify for certain subsidies for a prosthesis because they don’t have a job. However the daughter’s husband does have a full time job, and the daughter home schools her daughter. They still qualify for some SNAP benefits (food stamps). The idea that The State wouldn’t make an allowance for this situation was galling to them. I agreed. But within 5 minutes they were back to complaining about welfare queens who don’t have jobs.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  They are people driven by the same bullshit nativist propaganda. I live in a very democratic city. My neighbor down the block is a ~45 year old retired first responder due to a disabling knee injury. He’s mostly at home watching cable news during the week and transformed into a die-hard “conservative”, with the flags, stickers, etc. Great guy, but deluded by propaganda. We usually talk fishing and baseball, as our sons play together. I avoid political talk at all times as the irony of a young, disabled former unionized government employee with free healthcare is both anti-gov and anti-union is too much for me.

akudha 6y ago

Because they think they will not be affected, only others would be? Not saying this is correct, just that they probably think this

sampo 6y ago

> A certain amount of amount of British people were working "cash in hand" and not paying any tax This was a grey area already when UK was still an EU member. EU was based on "free movement of workers, services and capital", but the residency rights of non-economically active citizens of other EU countries are ...complicated. You have the right to reside the first 6 months in another country as a jobseeker. In practice, nobody would know when you have entered the country, so you could always claim that you are within your 6 months and you are a jobseeker, so in practice deporting EU citizens was close to impossible, so countries didn't even try. But those Brits probably weren't staying in Spain strictly legally, even when they were EU citizens.

Archelaos 6y ago
A EU citizen may also stay longer than 6 month in another member state, if she has sufficient resources and comprehensive health insurance cover. There is also a right of permanent residence after five years of legal residence.[1] [1] https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigners/freedom-of-movement/freedom-of-movement-node.html https://www.bmi.bund.de/EN/topics/migration/law-on-foreigner...

duxup 6y ago

I think the sad reality is a lot of folks vote based on a sort of instinct / sentiment. They hear truisms / sentiment that they like and someone convinces them X is that sentiment too. So they vote for X with little to no knowledge of what X is or means or how it plays out in any kind of reality.