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your comparing a legal obligation to extradite someone who has committed fraud to our ally to stand trial to genocide?

sudosysgen 6y ago
They didn't fraud the US, they allegedly frauded HSBC, a UK bank. There isn't a legal obligation to extradite either, extradition could be prevented through numerous legal mechanisms - for example, there is no guarantee that Meng Wenzhou will actually be tried for minor fraud instead of the mucher harsher crime of violating sanctions, for which there is no analogy in Canadian law, but in addition US courts are not fully transparent and independent in matters of national security, nor is the penalty of up to 20 years analogous in Canadian law, nor is there any actual damages in the crime of fraud that could be recognized to any party besides the US Government, and so on, but there were also violations of due process during discovery as evidence was illegally obtained by the prosecution, and more. There is ample material for the extradition to be throw out, but it isn't because the US is trying to use it to extract strategic advantages over Canada. More importantly, allies mean nothing to the US, which refuses to back Canada in any of its international disputes (most of which are against the US), so I see no reason why we shouldn't return the favour. As far as genocide, I wish you wouldn't throw that around so lightly, it's an insult to the millions of actual victims of genocide, which weren't in a group where their population increased. If you mean cultural genocide, or racist repression, say that - it's already a grave enough offense. That being said, if you think any geopolitical actor cares about it, you're being misled - sanctions only serve to make the situation worse, and the United States has been funding the terrorists in Xinjiang for decades to attempt to create the conditions for repression. Put simply, no one actually cares, they're just trying to use you to achieve their goals. Otherwise Canada/US/EU wouldn't support all the other genocidal countries, or would at least recognize their own (cultural) genocides, which they haven't.
- katbyte 6y ago
  Apparently I’m taking genocide lightly and your the one that compared extradition (legal or bot) of one person to it If I have to pick China or USA who both are rife with human rights abuses its a wise choice to go with one we share a border with and is our largest trading partner by far even if every 4 years they can turn on a dime unpredictability
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    The wise choice is to not choose either - both countries don't care about killing a million people, and we have a lot more leverage over the US than we have over China. As far as comparisons, I didn't make any. You're free to quote if you disagree.

They didn't fraud the US, they allegedly frauded HSBC, a UK bank. There isn't a legal obligation to extradite either, extradition could be prevented through numerous legal mechanisms - for example, there is no guarantee that Meng Wenzhou will actually be tried for minor fraud instead of the mucher harsher crime of violating sanctions, for which there is no analogy in Canadian law, but in addition US courts are not fully transparent and independent in matters of national security, nor is the penalty of up to 20 years analogous in Canadian law, nor is there any actual damages in the crime of fraud that could be recognized to any party besides the US Government, and so on, but there were also violations of due process during discovery as evidence was illegally obtained by the prosecution, and more. There is ample material for the extradition to be throw out, but it isn't because the US is trying to use it to extract strategic advantages over Canada. More importantly, allies mean nothing to the US, which refuses to back Canada in any of its international disputes (most of which are against the US), so I see no reason why we shouldn't return the favour. As far as genocide, I wish you wouldn't throw that around so lightly, it's an insult to the millions of actual victims of genocide, which weren't in a group where their population increased. If you mean cultural genocide, or racist repression, say that - it's already a grave enough offense. That being said, if you think any geopolitical actor cares about it, you're being misled - sanctions only serve to make the situation worse, and the United States has been funding the terrorists in Xinjiang for decades to attempt to create the conditions for repression. Put simply, no one actually cares, they're just trying to use you to achieve their goals. Otherwise Canada/US/EU wouldn't support all the other genocidal countries, or would at least recognize their own (cultural) genocides, which they haven't.

katbyte 6y ago
Apparently I’m taking genocide lightly and your the one that compared extradition (legal or bot) of one person to it If I have to pick China or USA who both are rife with human rights abuses its a wise choice to go with one we share a border with and is our largest trading partner by far even if every 4 years they can turn on a dime unpredictability
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  The wise choice is to not choose either - both countries don't care about killing a million people, and we have a lot more leverage over the US than we have over China. As far as comparisons, I didn't make any. You're free to quote if you disagree.