> If so, that... hasn't worked. Yeah, I think the "pretend you're on their side" strategy might work once or twice before they're onto you, so if you can't get

> If so, that... hasn't worked. Yeah, I think the "pretend you're on their side" strategy might work once or twice before they're onto you, so if you can't get them permanently out of the way by then, you're finished. > I'm not convinced the west actually has any leverage on China. Unfortunately, I think I agree. I'm not convinced the debt thing matters very much, but as things stand, we are hosed without China's manufacturing base, and double plus hosed if TSMC is captured or destroyed as a result of a Taiwan attack.