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Skechers report - no forced labour in Xinjiang MUJI - no forced labour in Xinjiang nike - no forced labour in Xinjiang adidas - no forced labour in Xinjiang A

Skechers report - no forced labour in Xinjiang MUJI - no forced labour in Xinjiang nike - no forced labour in Xinjiang adidas - no forced labour in Xinjiang At the same time this whole Xinjiang stuff reminds me of dozens of destibalization operations by the Americans in countless contries. I went to Hong Kong in 2019 during the protests to join them and to see with my own eyes what was going on. I met with the protesters and spoke with many of them. It was NOT the same what the media was reporting here. Once covid is over, I will travel to Xinjiang and also see for myself, because I started to believe that this entire anti-China movement is a very smart way of setting up of a new cold war.

paulryanrogers 6y ago
Not sure I'd trust companies with a vested interest in denial to communicate objective truth.
- hungryhobo 6y ago
  Could it be that the US is the one with vested interest?
  - katbyte 6y ago
    _everyone_ involved has vested interest, and china isn't exactly allowing anyone to go take a look?
    - dj_gitmo 6y ago
      China has not restricted access to Xinjiang. You can visit if you like. Most western visitors report that security is high in some areas, but foreigners are allowed to visit. Just walking around won't necessarily tell you the whole story obviously, but the notion that you can't visit is false. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang/wary-of-xinjiang-backlash-china-invites-waves-of-diplomats-to-visit-idUSKCN1QA0XX https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang/wary-of-xi... Edit: I searched "visit Xinjiang" and found this from 2021 https://www.lostwithpurpose.com/why-we-didnt-like-traveling-in-xinjiang-china/ https://www.lostwithpurpose.com/why-we-didnt-like-traveling-...
      - katbyte 6y ago
        By take a look I was really thinking going to talk to people in these concentration camps we hear about and have in monitored conversations, not just visit that region. And what an interesting article! It does not paint a happy or free picture and actually solidified my view that it’s more likely to be true then not
        oreally 6y ago
        When the same accusations happened a few years ago China did invite the EU to take a look, but the EU never went there. In addition, several muslim countries went and did not find any shred of evidence. At this point you'll have to start wondering what the NGO/EU's ulterior motives are. EU rejects China’s offer of Xinjiang tour, but says it’s open to one later https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3003217/eu-rejects-chinas-offer-xinjiang-tour-says-its-open-one-later https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3003217/eu... Xinjiang: From the eyes of an Australian British who cycled across China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jlUy2DR8TQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jlUy2DR8TQ
        katbyte 6y ago
        I mean it's one of those nebulous things where sure you can go there take a look, but if the entire government is doing their best to hide it/threaten everyone who stays there after you leave will you see anything? would you be on a tour taking you only to approve spots or would you have complete and free access? I assume US/EU/China all have their own motives and the truth is somewhere in the middle and we'll either never really know or not know for a very long time. But its super clear at the very least they are doing their best to wipe out the culture.... and then they go after canada for doing the same except decades ago with residential schools lol its all hypocritical on all sides as always
        oreally 6y ago
        > they are doing their best to wipe out the culture.... This is a dubious claim at least to me. There are videos of tourists in Xinjiang showcasing many many mosques. In fact their mosques are a major tourist attraction. If you have reliable non-western sources for this information do tell. Also, go watch the brit video.
- dj_gitmo 6y ago
  This is not an open and shut case. The organizations reporting this, The Australian Strategic Policy Institute(Aussie defense department), and The Victims Of Communism Foundation(!), are not unbiased nor are their methodologies uncontroversial.
  - SyzygistSix 6y ago
    The Australian Strategic Policy Institute is also funded by the US State Dept, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman. I don't doubt there is genocide and repression in Xinjiang but propaganda from propaganda outlets muddies the water.
    - dj_gitmo 6y ago
      Neither the US State Department nor CIA have claimed there is genocide so I think there is still an open question. The groups claiming genocide are NGOs and a fake university, The Newline Institute https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sham-university-neocon-punish-china/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sh...

paulryanrogers 6y ago

Not sure I'd trust companies with a vested interest in denial to communicate objective truth.

hungryhobo 6y ago
Could it be that the US is the one with vested interest?
- katbyte 6y ago
  _everyone_ involved has vested interest, and china isn't exactly allowing anyone to go take a look?
  - dj_gitmo 6y ago
    China has not restricted access to Xinjiang. You can visit if you like. Most western visitors report that security is high in some areas, but foreigners are allowed to visit. Just walking around won't necessarily tell you the whole story obviously, but the notion that you can't visit is false. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang/wary-of-xinjiang-backlash-china-invites-waves-of-diplomats-to-visit-idUSKCN1QA0XX https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang/wary-of-xi... Edit: I searched "visit Xinjiang" and found this from 2021 https://www.lostwithpurpose.com/why-we-didnt-like-traveling-in-xinjiang-china/ https://www.lostwithpurpose.com/why-we-didnt-like-traveling-...
    - katbyte 6y ago
      By take a look I was really thinking going to talk to people in these concentration camps we hear about and have in monitored conversations, not just visit that region. And what an interesting article! It does not paint a happy or free picture and actually solidified my view that it’s more likely to be true then not
      - oreally 6y ago
        When the same accusations happened a few years ago China did invite the EU to take a look, but the EU never went there. In addition, several muslim countries went and did not find any shred of evidence. At this point you'll have to start wondering what the NGO/EU's ulterior motives are. EU rejects China’s offer of Xinjiang tour, but says it’s open to one later https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3003217/eu-rejects-chinas-offer-xinjiang-tour-says-its-open-one-later https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3003217/eu... Xinjiang: From the eyes of an Australian British who cycled across China https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jlUy2DR8TQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jlUy2DR8TQ
        katbyte 6y ago
        I mean it's one of those nebulous things where sure you can go there take a look, but if the entire government is doing their best to hide it/threaten everyone who stays there after you leave will you see anything? would you be on a tour taking you only to approve spots or would you have complete and free access? I assume US/EU/China all have their own motives and the truth is somewhere in the middle and we'll either never really know or not know for a very long time. But its super clear at the very least they are doing their best to wipe out the culture.... and then they go after canada for doing the same except decades ago with residential schools lol its all hypocritical on all sides as always
        oreally 6y ago
        > they are doing their best to wipe out the culture.... This is a dubious claim at least to me. There are videos of tourists in Xinjiang showcasing many many mosques. In fact their mosques are a major tourist attraction. If you have reliable non-western sources for this information do tell. Also, go watch the brit video.
dj_gitmo 6y ago
This is not an open and shut case. The organizations reporting this, The Australian Strategic Policy Institute(Aussie defense department), and The Victims Of Communism Foundation(!), are not unbiased nor are their methodologies uncontroversial.
- SyzygistSix 6y ago
  The Australian Strategic Policy Institute is also funded by the US State Dept, Raytheon, and Northrop Grumman. I don't doubt there is genocide and repression in Xinjiang but propaganda from propaganda outlets muddies the water.
  - dj_gitmo 6y ago
    Neither the US State Department nor CIA have claimed there is genocide so I think there is still an open question. The groups claiming genocide are NGOs and a fake university, The Newline Institute https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sham-university-neocon-punish-china/ https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sh...