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Related: there’s a new documentary on Netflix called Seaspiracy It has some staggering numbers regarding the amount of by-catch caught every day
by aloer 6y ago
Related: there’s a new documentary on Netflix called Seaspiracy
It has some staggering numbers regarding the amount of by-catch caught every day
- IgorPartola 6y agoI saw the preview for this last night and on the one hand I want to watch it because I feel that it’s important to know this stuff, but on the other hand I really just want to bury my head in the sand. Over the past year I’ve realized just how much we are killing the planet and how powerless I am so do anything at all about it and it’s depressing me every time I think about it and not in a figurative sense.
- Zenst 6y agoYou are not powerless - ethical buying, if everybody did that then things would change as companies run on money, so vote with your wallet. Effort to research and may find in some area's it's down to picking the best of a bad choice, but little by little mindsets are changing and you do have the power. Business runs on money - vote with your wallet as that is your power, use it, don't loose it.
- IgorPartola 6y agoThat’s a nice thought and I’ve tried that before but the “if everybody did that” is the key. I can bend over backwards to only buy local organic food just to have the farm driven out of business by a Walmart Super Center and watch as a new mega container ship, new mega mall, new mega church gets built. I don’t think I spend nearly enough money on retail stuff that would actually tip the scales or even make anyone notice that I stopped shopping at the “unethical” stores.
- Zenst 6y ago> I spend nearly enough money on retail stuff that would actually tip the scales or even make anyone notice that I stopped shopping at the “unethical” stores. As an individual - indeed that is probably so, but you do get to feel less helpless and gets down too a balance of moral dilemma and feeling helpless.
- IgorPartola 6y agoI don’t want to just feel good about my actions though. I want to effect actual change. Trying to find an avenue for that, I guess.
- obmelvin 6y agoI understand where you are coming from and am not trying to suggest that these smaller actions are enough, you should keep looking for more, but still the smaller choices you make do add up.
- wonderwonder 6y agoI honestly think the only way we are going to solve this is with Genetic engineering and manufacturing on a global scale. We need to create self sustaining food sources that provide enough of our needs to allow natural resources especially the ocean time to heal and replenish itself. Things like the AquAdvantage salmon, lab grown meat on a massive scale and a massive marketing campaign to quash the anti-gmo mindset that is making the world hesitate to go all in. We are not going to heal the planet by everyone consuming less or driving less or any of the million things that they encourage you to do to save it. Science is going to be the only solution as the pandemic has proven that people really are not going to make choices that inconvenience them, we need to provide alternatives that are just as enticing but are also financially attractive. In addition, even if we convinced everyone to cut their consumption of everything by 25%, so what; in a few years there will be more people rendering that 25% savings moot. Science is the only way.
- LordDragonfang 6y ago>vote with your wallet as that is your power, use it, don't loose it. When you tell people to "vote with your wallet", you are implicitly admitting that people with bigger wallets have more votes. Literally millions of times more, in many cases. Don't vote with your wallet. involve yourself in local government, because legislation is the only way to solve problems like this.
- throw14082020 6y agoEveryone votes (not specifically with their wallet) but with their choices. Perhaps there are some people who worry about the planet but continue to do it harm and not consider changing their behaviour. i would also translate voting with your wallet "put your money where your mouth is", instead of any concept of power differences between people, but thats just me.
- blackoil 6y agoNot true for lot of cases. Every time you decide carry your water bottle and not buy a new plastic bottle, Bill Gates isn't buying 1000s of more bottles. For lot of consumables, gap between median and 99th percentile is very low.
- IgorPartola 6y agoYet Poland Spring is still in business despite everyone owning a reusable bottle.
- BurningFrog 6y ago> When you tell people to "vote with your wallet", you are implicitly admitting that people with bigger wallets have more votes. Seeing the world as it is, is a precondition to changing it. You don't have to like it, but you do have to understand it. In this case I both disagree and agree. Disagree: Yes, rich people have a lot more money. But they don't eat more food than anyone else. Their threat to not buy certain fish is worth about as much as mine. Agree: These kind of boycotts rarely accomplish much. The fishing system needs to be reformed away from free for all hunting, and legislation must do that. Iceland and New Zealand has decent systems in place now.
- 1over137 6y ago>how powerless I am so do anything at all about it Don't eat seafood. The more that don't, the less fishing humanity will do.
- katbyte 6y agoYour not going to ever convince enough people to stop eating seafoood. Goverment needs to regulate better and ban imports that can’t prove they don’t have excessive by catch
- pvaldes 6y ago> Don't eat seafood Advice that tor several millions of people in this planet, will translate directly to "live less, die younger" or "starve your family to death, is good for your karma" (and your suicide will be highly appreciated for my own family). Lets get serious, please. Stopping to eat seafood overnight would mean having a mass genocide in the planet in less than a year. Moreover, all cultures having many very long-lived people eat lots of seafood products. Is among the best human food known in the planet. This advice is totally out of any sensible discussion about our future. Changing the subject, I have previously explained here how difficult and error prone is to study age in sharks, and my opinion has not changed a millimeter. I still would suggest to take this 400-yo values with a ton of arctic salt.
- rscho 6y agoIf you want to save the planet, start by unsubscribing from Netflix and stop using your phone for multimedia.
- lazyweb 6y agoGo vegetarian, or even vegan, if you can.
- opportune 6y agoI was just reading the wikipedia article for ocean sunfish the other day, and apparently they can be up to 90% of the total catch for what are ostensibly swordfish-catching operations in the Mediterranean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_sunfish#Human_interaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_sunfish#Human_interactio....
- kaba0 6y agoI just remembered this rant: https://old.reddit.com/r/rant/comments/5shm1r/why_i_hate_the_sunfish/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rant/comments/5shm1r/why_i_hate_the...
- simonebrunozzi 6y agoThanks for posting the link to the "old" Reddit, by the way. It should be default on HN in my view.
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- chihuahua 6y agoMy first paid job was an internship at a research institute where I had to examine buckets of bycatch and count how many of various species had been caught. I think it was from shrimp fishing and the bycatch was just small fish (1 to 6 inches). For some fish, we would figure out their age by looking at some tiny bone pieces under a microscope and counting rings, similar to tree rings. I have no idea how I ended up in that job, I have no interest in fish or fishing or the ocean.
- arthurcolle 6y agoDid you have fun?
- chihuahua 6y agoNo, I hated it.
- practicalpants 6y agoI already know it doesn't bring up China's global fishing flotillas, who overfished China so roam the world stripping other coastlines, even protected areas like the Galapagos. One of the top reason for overfishing today. Or does it talk about this?
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- matzf 6y agoYes, it does.