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Ah, classic selection bias blinders on. Sure, great benefits for those who have jobs. What about for the people who can't get employed due to the conditions

Ah, classic selection bias blinders on. Sure, great benefits for those who have jobs. What about for the people who can't get employed due to the conditions on labor? The young, poor, already jobless? Not so much concern for them, you got yours.

kergonath 6y ago
I am not sure the American underclass (a large part of Trump’s support base) is faring much better. Even with larger unemployment, inequalities are still not as bad as in the US. Several countries have similar problems, whether it takes the form of 10% unemployment or working-class poor.
neaden 6y ago
I'm not sure how COVID has effected it, but for the past years France has had a higher prime age labor force participation rate then the US, so it doesn't seem to be causing that issue.
DeonPenny 6y ago
This part. People point to things like wealth inequality but not point to median incomes or employment rates, or marriage rates or birth rates. its extreme selection bias. If france was a country its median income with be comparable with alabama.
- mattkrause 6y ago
  This is not a particularly useful statistic unless you include the varying levels of public services. I just did a similar analysis for a job in the US vs one in Canada. The actual salary in the US was much higher, but including healthcare expenses closed a lot of the gap. In some cases (e.g., chronic illness or young kids), the lower Canadian salary was a better "deal" overall.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    Friend of mine moved to France from California. He said raising a kid in is way cheaper and less stressful in France. Me I'm fully aware that I'm paying whats amounts to $900/month protection money in the form of health insurance. Protection money because really the co-payes I have to pay are close cost of actually providing medical goods and services.
fixIt83 6y ago
This could be describing any country on the planet. Shantytowns have been growing across the US for almost 30 years. Unions are just formalized reality, like fiscal economics, politics, etc IMO, while we may not live to see it, I’m pretty sure out last 100-150 years of economic thought is, big picture style, on its way out. It may take decades but once everyone is a gig worker, the political argument for universal healthcare will be undeniable. IMO that’s more in-line with someone like Adam Smith, whose only condition for a market was free movement of workers between a market of opportunity. This has somehow been mutated into a market of goods and services, probably out of laziness.
door100 6y ago
unlike the US, where working conditions for the poor are fantastic? Don't get me wrong, France (and the EU) has its share of problems. But "better protections for their workers" is not one of them. EU countries decided to use a small portion of their enormous wealth building a safety net and decent worker protections. The US does this to a much lesser degree, preferring instead to center corporate profits and the wealthy.

kergonath 6y ago

I am not sure the American underclass (a large part of Trump’s support base) is faring much better. Even with larger unemployment, inequalities are still not as bad as in the US. Several countries have similar problems, whether it takes the form of 10% unemployment or working-class poor.

neaden 6y ago

I'm not sure how COVID has effected it, but for the past years France has had a higher prime age labor force participation rate then the US, so it doesn't seem to be causing that issue.

DeonPenny 6y ago

This part. People point to things like wealth inequality but not point to median incomes or employment rates, or marriage rates or birth rates. its extreme selection bias. If france was a country its median income with be comparable with alabama.

mattkrause 6y ago
This is not a particularly useful statistic unless you include the varying levels of public services. I just did a similar analysis for a job in the US vs one in Canada. The actual salary in the US was much higher, but including healthcare expenses closed a lot of the gap. In some cases (e.g., chronic illness or young kids), the lower Canadian salary was a better "deal" overall.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  Friend of mine moved to France from California. He said raising a kid in is way cheaper and less stressful in France. Me I'm fully aware that I'm paying whats amounts to $900/month protection money in the form of health insurance. Protection money because really the co-payes I have to pay are close cost of actually providing medical goods and services.

fixIt83 6y ago

This could be describing any country on the planet. Shantytowns have been growing across the US for almost 30 years. Unions are just formalized reality, like fiscal economics, politics, etc IMO, while we may not live to see it, I’m pretty sure out last 100-150 years of economic thought is, big picture style, on its way out. It may take decades but once everyone is a gig worker, the political argument for universal healthcare will be undeniable. IMO that’s more in-line with someone like Adam Smith, whose only condition for a market was free movement of workers between a market of opportunity. This has somehow been mutated into a market of goods and services, probably out of laziness.

door100 6y ago

unlike the US, where working conditions for the poor are fantastic? Don't get me wrong, France (and the EU) has its share of problems. But "better protections for their workers" is not one of them. EU countries decided to use a small portion of their enormous wealth building a safety net and decent worker protections. The US does this to a much lesser degree, preferring instead to center corporate profits and the wealthy.