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There are other sources too, like https://thegrayzone.com/category/venezuela/ https://thegrayzone.com/category/venezuela/ or https://www.telesurtv.net/SubSeccio

by lucian1900 6y ago

There are other sources too, like https://thegrayzone.com/category/venezuela/ https://thegrayzone.com/category/venezuela/ or https://www.telesurtv.net/SubSecciones/en/country/venezuela/ https://www.telesurtv.net/SubSecciones/en/country/venezuela/ or https://venezuelanalysis.com https://venezuelanalysis.com

alkonaut 6y ago
Really? I post some recent academic papers and you respond with “yeah but what about Telesur?”. I have to stop wasting my time trying to discuss politics online. > Telesur works as a propaganda network for the governments of Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro (Wikipedia) I’m sure their coverage has the very best quality.
- lucian1900 6y ago
  You posted some right-wing propaganda. For anyone else reading, I offered an alternative. And if you'll take Wikipedia as fact, it's unlikely you'll find much truth.
  - alkonaut 6y ago
    “Right wing propaganda”? You are welcome to either a) promote a set of research articles or materials of similar quality from reputable sources, or b) come across as thinking that basically all reputable mainstream media and universities in liberal democracies are sources of “right wing propaganda”. Looking at your post history I know the answer already (It’s a bit hard to read considering most of your posts are so for voted the font is almost invisible). If you are on a crusade to convince people that undemocratic regimes foster trustworthy media while Swedish universities produce right wing propaganda I think you’ll find it’s going to be hard work. I wish this site gave people a reputation cooldown so enough downvotes resulted in a 48h ban.
    - lucian1900 6y ago
      Have you read what you linked? There’s a lot of supposition and extrapolation on undefined terms. A lot of words as an excuse to bash a country already under attack. It’s not like Sweden doesn’t have a long history of imperialism either. I’m well aware we communists aren’t welcome on HN. Considering it’s US-centric and has a bourgeois focus, it’s not surprising it would welcome only right-wing politics. Still, it doesn’t cost me much to push back a bit on imperialist rhetoric. Maybe one or two people will reconsider their world view in terms of material interests.
      - intheaa728q7e 6y ago
        > I’m well aware we communists aren’t welcome on HN Nah, you are not welcome because you go from thread to thread defending dictatorships just because they are a "fully democratic and left government". I am gonna guess that you are just another arm chair expert from either NA or Europe who has never set foot in Venezuela, only reads propagandistic sources like Telesur and RT, and just likes to ignore the mass migration of 8 million people fleeing from the dictatorship, ignores the human rights violations (even documented by UN), all the government supported drug trafficking and the stealing of election. Go look for another thread to defend a genocide in China or something would you tankie?
      - alkonaut 6y ago
        I don’t mind socialists. I do mind people who think socialism is worth giving up democracy for. Yes, even if the alternative is the “dictatorship of the bourgeoise” or eternal “imperialism” I mind. I also very much disagree with the idea that everything that pushes back on communism is “right wing”. I’d consider myself center/left wing (e.g Social Democrat). Everything I write isn’t voted down to oblivion. Get over yourself. There is line to be drawn between Marxism in a democracy and murdering people with opposing views because “imperialism”! It’s fine to argue that workers should own the means of production. Or that the US is an imperialist bully. But one can’t dismantle democracy or murder journalists over it. No sir. Starving your own population I won’t even mention. And no, no what aboutism. The capitalists and imperialists don’t do this. Autocrats across the world do regardless of color though. Putin, Maduro, the list can be made long. It’s not right vs left it’s autocrat vs Democrat. If one is pro socialist authoritarianism - one is also pro the others. In an autocracy you don’t get to choose what political color the ruler of the day fancies (The dictatorship of the proletariat never arrives - it’s autocrat forever, remember). It’s completely uninteresting to pin crimes to political ideology. It’s also completely worthless rhetoric to try excuse them with e.g oppression, imperialism, try to claim that murderous capitalist democracies are “just as bad”. People who claim this aren’t giving an alternative view, they only come across as uninformed.

alkonaut 6y ago

Really? I post some recent academic papers and you respond with “yeah but what about Telesur?”. I have to stop wasting my time trying to discuss politics online. > Telesur works as a propaganda network for the governments of Hugo Chávez and Nicolás Maduro (Wikipedia) I’m sure their coverage has the very best quality.

lucian1900 6y ago
You posted some right-wing propaganda. For anyone else reading, I offered an alternative. And if you'll take Wikipedia as fact, it's unlikely you'll find much truth.
- alkonaut 6y ago
  “Right wing propaganda”? You are welcome to either a) promote a set of research articles or materials of similar quality from reputable sources, or b) come across as thinking that basically all reputable mainstream media and universities in liberal democracies are sources of “right wing propaganda”. Looking at your post history I know the answer already (It’s a bit hard to read considering most of your posts are so for voted the font is almost invisible). If you are on a crusade to convince people that undemocratic regimes foster trustworthy media while Swedish universities produce right wing propaganda I think you’ll find it’s going to be hard work. I wish this site gave people a reputation cooldown so enough downvotes resulted in a 48h ban.
  - lucian1900 6y ago
    Have you read what you linked? There’s a lot of supposition and extrapolation on undefined terms. A lot of words as an excuse to bash a country already under attack. It’s not like Sweden doesn’t have a long history of imperialism either. I’m well aware we communists aren’t welcome on HN. Considering it’s US-centric and has a bourgeois focus, it’s not surprising it would welcome only right-wing politics. Still, it doesn’t cost me much to push back a bit on imperialist rhetoric. Maybe one or two people will reconsider their world view in terms of material interests.
    - intheaa728q7e 6y ago
      > I’m well aware we communists aren’t welcome on HN Nah, you are not welcome because you go from thread to thread defending dictatorships just because they are a "fully democratic and left government". I am gonna guess that you are just another arm chair expert from either NA or Europe who has never set foot in Venezuela, only reads propagandistic sources like Telesur and RT, and just likes to ignore the mass migration of 8 million people fleeing from the dictatorship, ignores the human rights violations (even documented by UN), all the government supported drug trafficking and the stealing of election. Go look for another thread to defend a genocide in China or something would you tankie?
    - alkonaut 6y ago
      I don’t mind socialists. I do mind people who think socialism is worth giving up democracy for. Yes, even if the alternative is the “dictatorship of the bourgeoise” or eternal “imperialism” I mind. I also very much disagree with the idea that everything that pushes back on communism is “right wing”. I’d consider myself center/left wing (e.g Social Democrat). Everything I write isn’t voted down to oblivion. Get over yourself. There is line to be drawn between Marxism in a democracy and murdering people with opposing views because “imperialism”! It’s fine to argue that workers should own the means of production. Or that the US is an imperialist bully. But one can’t dismantle democracy or murder journalists over it. No sir. Starving your own population I won’t even mention. And no, no what aboutism. The capitalists and imperialists don’t do this. Autocrats across the world do regardless of color though. Putin, Maduro, the list can be made long. It’s not right vs left it’s autocrat vs Democrat. If one is pro socialist authoritarianism - one is also pro the others. In an autocracy you don’t get to choose what political color the ruler of the day fancies (The dictatorship of the proletariat never arrives - it’s autocrat forever, remember). It’s completely uninteresting to pin crimes to political ideology. It’s also completely worthless rhetoric to try excuse them with e.g oppression, imperialism, try to claim that murderous capitalist democracies are “just as bad”. People who claim this aren’t giving an alternative view, they only come across as uninformed.