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> The biggest confusion I have is everybody seems to approach Amazon and Tesla unionization as "hopefully it happens so workers will get better wages!" That mi
by ncallaway 6y ago
> The biggest confusion I have is everybody seems to approach Amazon and Tesla unionization as "hopefully it happens so workers will get better wages!"
That might be the thing you're wrong about. It sounds like most of the Amazon unionization efforts _aren't_ necessarily about better pay. It seems like more of the focus is about better, more humane working conditions.
If Amazon pays its workers slightly above average that's great, but if they treat those same workers like absolute shit with inhumane working conditions, then that's a problem that a union can help resolve.
- rufus_foreman 6y ago>> they treat those same workers like absolute shit with inhumane working conditions I think this debate is going to be like all the others on the topic, if you have never done manual labor, warehouse work, or factory work you are going to talk about the "inhumane working conditions", and if you have done that type of work you consider an Amazon warehouse job to be a great job for an unskilled laborer. I did 10 years in that world, the factory workers I worked with would have considered an Amazon warehouse job to be a dream job. I feel dirty now for having defended Amazon, but the truth is the truth.
- ncallaway 6y agoAny job that doesn't give workers time to use the bathroom when they need to is inhumane. Any job that is too warm, and doesn't provide workers adequate water, breaks, or AC such that workers are feinting or suffer health consequences is inhumane. If the working conditions elsewhere are worse than that, then it's not a positive mark for Amazon. It's a black mark for those workplaces. > I feel dirty now for having defended Amazon, but the truth is the truth. I don't know if you have condemned Amazon, so much as tarred other workplaces if they also fail to meet these standards.