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FBI isn't under the DoD. The problem is an institution-wide reluctance to take right-wing and white supremacist radicalism seriously, dating back, at least, to

by bsanr2 6y ago

FBI isn't under the DoD. The problem is an institution-wide reluctance to take right-wing and white supremacist radicalism seriously, dating back, at least, to the 1930s. Whatever the reason, it clearly colors the FBI's responses and predisposes them towards not taking forceful and purposeful action until calamity is already well underway.

dragontamer 6y ago
FBI is an intelligence agency, not muscle. FBI did the bare minimum correct thing to do: they sent an email on January 5th talking about the risks. They should have done more but... technically yes, they did warn people. ------------- That's... maybe a C, or D grade. "Barely passing", but technically correct. Compared to the failures of the DoD to sit on their ass for 3 hours while Senators / House members literally plea for help is a different story.
- imwillofficial 6y ago
  No it’s not. FBI is law enforcement. With (poor) Intel capability.
- AlexCoventry 6y ago
  It has dual intelligence and law-enforcement functions, and both should have come into play, here.
- bsanr2 6y ago
  FBI has law enforcement duties. It's, um, primarily law enforcement, in fact. In the alternate universe where our authorities did everything correctly, they showed up on January 2nd at the doors of the riot organizers and everyone who was going to show up in camo and arrested them. I'm giving you an F.
  - dragontamer 6y ago
    I mean yeah, they're law enforcement. But the particular law enforcement of the area was DC Capitol Police and the DC National Guard. I know the FBI does a few muscle jobs here and there, but only where they're authorized. I don't think the FBI has any direct responsibility to the security of the DC Capitol area. So as far as I'm concerned for this situation, they were intelligence (since FBI is still in charge of figuring out threats and relaying that information to local police forces).
    - bsanr2 6y ago
      The people involved in the insurrection came from out-of-state. They were planning an attack on the country's seat of government; somewhere in there is reaaonable suspicion of some sort of federal offense (hence the arrests after the fact). Arresting the people planning it was well within the FBI's jurisdiction. In this case, the FBI failed to carry out their national law enforcement duties. And the reason is likely related to why they didn't do what would have been necessary to prevent Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the OKC bombing, among other smaller scale tragedies involving separatist and often white supremacist groups. Like... This is a pattern of mishandling. At some point you've got to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

by bsanr2 6y ago

dragontamer 6y ago

FBI is an intelligence agency, not muscle. FBI did the bare minimum correct thing to do: they sent an email on January 5th talking about the risks. They should have done more but... technically yes, they did warn people. ------------- That's... maybe a C, or D grade. "Barely passing", but technically correct. Compared to the failures of the DoD to sit on their ass for 3 hours while Senators / House members literally plea for help is a different story.

imwillofficial 6y ago
No it’s not. FBI is law enforcement. With (poor) Intel capability.
AlexCoventry 6y ago
It has dual intelligence and law-enforcement functions, and both should have come into play, here.
bsanr2 6y ago
FBI has law enforcement duties. It's, um, primarily law enforcement, in fact. In the alternate universe where our authorities did everything correctly, they showed up on January 2nd at the doors of the riot organizers and everyone who was going to show up in camo and arrested them. I'm giving you an F.
- dragontamer 6y ago
  I mean yeah, they're law enforcement. But the particular law enforcement of the area was DC Capitol Police and the DC National Guard. I know the FBI does a few muscle jobs here and there, but only where they're authorized. I don't think the FBI has any direct responsibility to the security of the DC Capitol area. So as far as I'm concerned for this situation, they were intelligence (since FBI is still in charge of figuring out threats and relaying that information to local police forces).
  - bsanr2 6y ago
    The people involved in the insurrection came from out-of-state. They were planning an attack on the country's seat of government; somewhere in there is reaaonable suspicion of some sort of federal offense (hence the arrests after the fact). Arresting the people planning it was well within the FBI's jurisdiction. In this case, the FBI failed to carry out their national law enforcement duties. And the reason is likely related to why they didn't do what would have been necessary to prevent Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the OKC bombing, among other smaller scale tragedies involving separatist and often white supremacist groups. Like... This is a pattern of mishandling. At some point you've got to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.